June Mummies 3 - One handed typers over here!!

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hey

just checking in...

KVG - fear not you're just having a bad day. That's why I'm steering clear of the books this time around as with Dd they did my head in and made me stress more. To quote ol Welshie there are no solutions to babies! The little critters change from day to day just to keep us on our toes/insane. Thing is the drive to parental insanity doesn't stop it just changes in to new forms (as I learn from my toddler who is currently emptying out drawers and finding all things I don't want her to:superglue, batteries , my jewellry, a condom.....)

keep yr fingers x for me...after a mexican stand off Ds took the bottle today, which is great as I'm GOING OUT tmw. (note in the positive, I will go out I will...)Dh has a fancy do at the Opera house....shame it starts at 10pm must remember to take matchsticks!!

KVG - I am so sorry you are having such a hard time.I second others. Books,sleepladys and all the neighbors and family friends may suggest a lot of things, and there is no harm trying. But nobody can force a baby to sleep or eat when it doesn't want... In the end it will do what it does... My DS nevr ffeds for mnore than 10 mins. and I have no idea howmany naps it takes during the day. Take a break and go with the flow a bit. I promisse it will get better!

Lummox, thanks for the info. DS is about 16lb now, so perhaps 5oz is a good guideline. humm... need to work on hom taking more then! 3oz seem tobe the most he would take,and it takes forever!

Katz - Happy anniversary!

I'm back!
We got back this evening - decided to come home a day early, and I'm so glad we did, as we've acquired soooo much stuff (bought and been given) in our 2 months away, and it'll take forever to get it all straight. Plus today was my last day of holiday and as of tomorrow I'm officially working again - almost entirely at home for the next 5 weeks, but I've got seminars to prepare and papers to mark, and I need to start practising expressing for when the semester starts (having not done it since we sorted our bf problems out), and next month am going to England for a week with Samuel, dh and 11 students ...
Happy anniversary Katz! Ours (5 years) is coming up this month too - we were also the first of our friends to get married.
Sympathies KVG. I agree with the others - so often there's neither rhyme nor reason. If you think about what being a baby must be like, always having new things thrown at you to process, it's actually not surprising really that their reactions to things change. Telling myself that has helped me be a fair bit calmer about Samuel when he's unhappy for whatever reason.
Anyone got any tips for stomach-flattening? I still look like I'm in the second trimester... Was hoping it would disappear through bf and walking around Berlin all the time, but now I'm back and it hasn't happened...

Hi All, quick check in...

Lipstick, I had problems getting my b/f baby to take a bottle of expressed milk. I kept trying with Avent. He would suck at them but get nothing out and start screaming. On a recommendation I switched to Nuk silicone teats and they are working really well (admittedly, not a huge amount). It did take a bit of perseverance but he?ll take as much as I can express now. We also found that the temp of the milk was really important. If it was even slightly too hot or cold, DS would object strongly. Oh yeh, and DH gives the bottle feeds, not me.

Lua, DS is not taking a full feed of EBM as I?m not that good at expressing. He?ll take about 5fl oz, then I top up myself when he?s finished the bottle.

Katz, glad you had a lovely anniversary dinner. Hope you have a good time in Italy. Where abouts are you going?

KVG, I think a bottle of wine is a fantastic idea. I?m semi-convinced that the reason DS sleeps so well in the night is due to my alcohol consumption . Hope things were easier last night and are better today

Lummox/Welshie, I?m really glad to hear things are improving.

Nothing interesting to report from here, i'm afraid. Things are still going fine (sorry to all you having problems). Have any of you started reading baby books to your DS/DD's yet? If so, do you have any recommendations?

jonah - i'm going to sorrento

Morning alll

KVG, big hugs to you. We are all in the same boat, even when some of us come on and say smugly that we managed to get our dd2 to sleep from 4 am till 630 in her moses basket For that small, but significant victory, I had a day of disasters.

Make sure you come on here to see that we're all going through similar problems, we don't care if you're relieved/glad that the rest of us are finding it difficult too, that's what we're here for.

I also recommend getting out if you can, I only mean once a week. I found going to groups was so reassuring. I just used to sit and watch other mums, getting stressed with their children, placating them with biscuits, ignoring bad behaviour etc etc. It was such a relief, because just sitting at home i thought I was the only one doing it 'wrong' and everyone else was fine. It took getting out and having a look around to realise that I wasn't alone!!

Have to rush out to the shops now - joy. Would rather sit at home and watch my cleaner work her magic on the house

Oh, KVG, if you are in my neck of the woods soon, email me and we could try and meet up, we can both moan together

KVG - apologies to you. There's me going on about getting everything sorted etc I know how crap it can all feel and I really hate that feeling of not knowing what's going to change from day to day. It's bloody tough. I think the books can help but babies are all so different that's what made the sleep lady better - we just talked about my baby and the solutions were just for him.
Mandymac - ds also cries when he first goes down at 7, but he cried when he was downstairs with me before too, and with his dad and his grandparents and anyone else who knows him. I'm afraid i'm being tough mummy and letting him cry in his cot - going in to kiss him and tell him I'm there every so often. I tell myself it's his way of winding down after an exciting day. It's getting less every night and I'm hoping for none at all by the weekend.
Wanted to write more but have got to go out now - will finish off later,
Love, patience and glasses of wine to all (maybe not at 0944!)

Good to see you again Berolina, must be lovely to be home after such a long trip away. I found this on the net when I was searching for advice on the second trimester tummy syndrome

stomach exercises

Can't vouch for effectiveness as I haven't done them yet, or not for more than about five minutes once a week!

Happy anniversary Katz!

KVG, the problem with these books is they make it all seem so simple...if you just do x and y then you'll get lots of zzzzzzzzzzzzs. But what works for some babies doesn't work for others , so you just end up feeling stressing about 'failing' if your baby doesn't do what the book says it should. I think there are a lot of very useful tips and hints in them but they can't be a 'one size fits all' solution as all babies are different. I worked myself up into a right state over Gina when DS1 was a baby, it just made me feel completely crap because I couldn't stick to the set routine (I didn't think about just taking out the bits I liked and leaving the rest ). You're not doing it all wrong, honestly - babies sometimes just cry, not because of anything you are doing, just because they can!

It seems like lots of babies (DS2 included) are doing a similar thing at the moment - bed for 8ish, and up a couple of times in the night for feeds. It's been a great help coming on here and seeing I'm not the only one doing this with him. Hope they all start to drop a feed or two soon!

Tea, it's so true - we spend all our time wanting our babies to walk and talk and as soon as they do we want them to stay still and keep quiet . Yes, DS1 is constantly talking, bless him. Sometimes it's entertaining but at 6.00am when he's saying the same thing over and over again it's just annoying

Sfxmum, your poor friend, what an unbelievably terrible thing to happen. Not surprising you've felt emotional since the birth.

Red, have a fantastic night out tonight.

Lippy, four times a week is very impressive indeed. I'm going once a week which isn't doing anything at all and I'm fed up of being so wobbly. I really should just get a gym membership sorted out and go in the evenings once the DSs are in bed (if nothing else it will stop me sitting around eating chocolate).

Right, off to the supermarket. DS1 is at nursery today and it's much easier going with DS2 (it's a bit like herding sheep taking both of them).

Hi all.

Not quite such a good night last night. ds went down at 7 (for which I am still grateful and amazed) but had dream feed + three night feeds before waking up at seven.

KVG - meant to say that we tried a dream feed when ds was about ten weeks and it didn't work - as with you, even when the nipple was in his mouth he didn't really wake up.

Ds now 14.5 weeks and it seems to be working better (although every day of excitement that he's cracked it seems to be followed by a day of disappointment).

Jonah - we've been reading Mister Men books (with ds on our laps) - he seems to be able to concentrate for about 3/4 of a Mister Man book, ut we always feel we should read to the end (not sure why, since it's not as if he understands any of it, but it feels wrong to stop in the middle) so by the end he is looking anywhere but the book.

We also got given a lovely book called Fuzzy Bee and Friends which is a sort of cloth book with pictures of animals made out of lots of different textures and ds is starting to reach out to feel the different materials. That's more of a toy though, really, as even reading it to him once sends you barmy and repetition of it is very, very dull indeed. Guess there's a lot more repetition of stories to come .

KVG - Just wanted to say that you sound exactly as I did with dd1 when I was trying to follow Gina and dd1 was not a Gina baby. Take a break from the book. Let dd sleep and feed when she wants and see where the day takes you. If it is a disaster then you have only wasted one day and no bad habits will have formed in that time. DD1 only ever fed for 15 mins once b/f was established and only ever from one boob. Plus we might just get a bit of a system going and she would inconveneintly get older and therefore need more feeding or less sleep or something.
It will get better as the baby gets older I promise. Hope the wine helped!
Welshie - I am glad I am not the only one who can't be bothered on the expressing malarky. I have decided I am wasting my time and will just have to take dd with me if I go anywhere. I don't exactly get out much so I am not missing out on too much really although it does mean I will miss some good mess functions this year, c'est la vie.
Kat - Happy Anniversary
EYM - Grrr at not seeing doctor.
Pink - Hope college went well. What are you studying now?
Forgot to make notes sorry to everyone I have missed. Am also v tired today for some reason. I think that new baby buzz has definately worn off and I am worn out as a consequence.
Gave dd2 a dream feed last night and then she woke at 0130, 0230 and 0430 so I am not going to bother doing that again unless she is stirring naturally as I go to bed. DD1 got up this morning with a dry nappy and asked me to take it off so that she could do a wee in her potty this morning . She did a poo and two other wees but then weed on me as we read a story later which was odd. Don't know why she did that really. Obviously too comfortable. Had a friend round for coffee with her little boy which was nice too. Right have to go and see if dd1 will have her nap while dd2 is still asleep.
Bye for now.

Morning ladies

Just a quickie...promise

Welcome back Lippy - we've missed you! Am very impressed with the gym efforts...so far I've bought a skipping rope for some fun/silly exercise and intend to use it every day ha ha ha - got it 2 weeks ago and only opened it yesterday...much to ds's amusement who stole it off me and ran around the garden pretending to be me nothing like your kids taking the piss eh!

SFX - sorry to hear about your friend Can't imagine what she went (and still is) going through, very hard on you too when you want to celebrate your own good news.

Lua - my hv said to me that as a rough guide dd should be taking 1/2 her lb weight in ounces with about 5/6 bottles a day...so at 14lb she should be having 7oz bottles HTH. Of course that's dificult to assess when dual feeding, and also no-one told my dd what she should be having so we have a hotch potch of some 3/4/5 oz bottle a day with only one full 6 oz! and she definitely wasn't told there should be a limit on the number a day either

Lippy - glad the Christenings went ok, I'm just doing the invites for dd's in October. Bless your dd1 for being a poppet atm - ds has suddenly (since the w/e) turned into my loving gorgeous little boy again - not sure why or how but will enjoy it whilst it lasts

KVG / Trib - IT DOES GET BETTER...and Trib LOL - yup I'm sure we will still definitely be worrying about something or other in 18 years time .

Lummox - ROFL at your talented dh - if only eh!

Ok ok I know I said quickie so I'd better go now as dd's been on her play mat for 1/2 and hour and ds has watched Thomas through twice this morning . Catch you all later, x

dd has her 2nd set of jabs today, am gearing myself up to be strong...I will not cry, I will not cry

Oh yes meant to say hello to Bero again and Katz - congrats of the anniversary, and am very of Sorrento - really want to go there myself...actually really want to go anywhere sunny, warm, with good food and good wine...hmmmmmn hey ho, off to Devon instead at the end of the week! Will just have to imagine it's Italy

SFX - Sorry meant to comment that you must have had such mixed emotions about everything and extra fears to the norm. How heartbreaking for you and you friend. It is all very close to home for you. Hope you are OK.
x-posted with you all but totally agree with Mrs W about how I viewed Gina the first time round and how crap I felt about failing as a Mum.
I now know we are all doing a blooming good job of it because it is hard work. Baby crying got to go.

Morning all,

Hi Lynny-hope your'e doing ok and welcome back to Scraggy.

Mandy-how did the move into the cot go? We've decided when we come back from our hols we're going to try and get Ds into his cot too.

Lummox-great news on having the evenings to yourselves.Ds goes to bed at 10.30,but we're gradually trying to make it earlier so we also get more time of an evening.

KVG-sending you a big hug.You are definately NOT doing anything wrong.All babies(and all mummies)are different and we've all got different ways of doing things.Also,while Gina and the baby whisperer work for some,they don't work for everyone.I'm sure alot of it is just trial and error to see what works best for each individual.As for daytime naps,Ds quite often gets overtired then fights to stay awake,which can be really frustrating.Other days,he'll nap without too many problems.

RHM-hope you have a great night out.

Jonah-was also wondering about books.We haven't started yet and Ds is such a fidget that I don't think he'd sit still long enough anyway.

Tea-hope the jabs go ok.I hate having them myself,but have to have vitamin injections every 12 weeks-having mine tomorrow.

Well...have a very busy day today.Off to the hospital to see the consultant today.Ds normally has his legs plastered on a Tuesday,but I'm hoping he can have a "week off" this week seeing as we're going on holiday at the weekend,so fingers crossed! Also his little boots should be ready on the 27th,so he'll be completely out of plaster by then.
We've then got a doctor's appointment this afternoon.Ds has a couple of small lumps on his neck.You can't see them,only feel them.The Hv thinks it's nothing to worry about,but said it was best to see our GP-just to make sure.
Also need to find out how long it'll take before Ds's head goes back to it's normal shape-still a bit flat at the back due to the accident.
It's certainly all systems go,infact...don't know how I'm going to find time to go back to work in December.

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Morning june mumies hugsss

Aww Lynne hunny in so sorry to hear about your condition and wish you all the best for your opperation its lovely to see you back hugssss, please keep us updated we are here for you xxxxxx

On the baby sleeps routine thread i agree with going with the flow every baby is an individual and will have their up and down periods. and i agree every day is different, and hopefully our june babies will settle into their own pattern of sleeping, waking,feeding.

On another note how hard is it to get the coil grrrrr apparently doctor doesnt do it anymore and you have to go to family planning just wondered have any of you been?

I dont know how you all feel about work to me and hubby have talked and ive decided prop only going to work weekends until william is older, then maybe think about going back into childcare, its really strange but because im a baby room supervisor and have worked in many private nurserys i dont want to put william in any one of them and i deffanately dont want to take him to work with me. Ater all i waiting 16 years to have my baby boy i think i deserve been able to watch all his milestones my self.

William was fine with injections yesterday no temp and he slept better.

Anyway hope we all have a good afternoon im going to see vicar try and arrange the christening wish me luck lol xxxxxxxx

morning ladies
sorry to hear about your troubles lynny, hope all goes well, i had heard of uterus prolapse but never about bladder, gosh one more trouble for the ladies.

i think this board is very comforting, sharing ups and downs makes it somehow better, think its the 'you are not alone' factor.

had difficult night, not had one of those in a long time. yesterday i had been tense all day and missing cues with dd, she was not taking naps but went to bed ok as per usual. but then from about 2.45 to nearly 5am there was no settling her. well i cried and told dh to p* off when he asked what was wrong. well this morning i told him and he stayed at home to help.
feeling bit guilty now

'Ola!

So, Cop and Welshie, you both ar enot expressing? Are you just bfing then, no formula?? I really would only like to express so I can get to the gym and swim without leaving poor dp too much in the sht if dd2 wakes up. But, I can see it not becoming a priority and not bothering much. Still, time is going quickly and already she is over 9 weeks.

Mrs W, I have to aim for 4 times, because I may only get to go 3 if things happen and I have to miss one, iykwim. Plus, dp is very supportive of me doing stuff to keep my mind and body healthy, so he always encourages me to go (he is also happy that I am not on the sofa with a cuppa nd snickers watching Corrie ) but so far I've managed it. My tummy is looking ok but still wobbly, my abs went back pretty quickly, just got to remove the layer of fat over them!!! Still, I'm never going to have the navel of a 19 yr old again

I am in 2 minds about the books. I think they can offer great advice when you have nowhere to turn. I think we often take them too literally and when things don't work as the books say we see ourselves as 'failures'. It's very common. I haven't read one this time round. I looked at Gina, laughed myself silly, and put it away again (with a dd1 its v difficult imo).

Lynny, very sorry to hear about your medical troubles I hope the op is straightforward? just when you think the worst is behind you eh??!

Right, almost time for lunch and neighbours

Afternoon ladies, just to let you know that the consequence of bizarre dream feed at 4 p.m. was baby wide awake and kicking at 4 a.m., and me having a complete meltdown in the living room at 5:30 Sufficiently loud to wake dh up which means the entire building was probably woken up too.

I'm absolutely done for, he's tried to help me out more today (did not know it was possible for one person to take soooo long to wash up 4 bottles, jeez, it's a good job he doesn't do them every day!) but I doubt it will be sustainable.

Can't really write any more but just wanted to send hugs to Lynny, you poor thing. Sfx, your poor friend - god, she must wish she was worrying about all the stuff that's driving us crazy

Just popped on quickly to keep up, and wanted to say Lynny - it doesn't rain girl does it good to have it finally solved tho - hopefully the op will have you back to normal in no time. Keep smiling, thinking of you

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Lynny - you poor old sausage - as if you didn't have enough to contend with. Hope you can get the op really soon and feel like you're back in one piece (as it were)

Lippy - no formula or expressing here yet.....might do a little bit of expressing as there will be the odd social function that lasts longer than 3 or 4 hours to go to I guess (couple of parties coming up) but I don't know if I'll persist with it if ds won't take a bottle easily...
How long are June mums intending to bf for?

Sfx - dont know if I've said hello to you? hello - know what you mean about missing their cues if you're knackered.

I was feeling pretty daring today and took ds to Top Shop in Oxford St to try to find an outift for me for ds's christening on Sunday. I'm totally the wrong shape though - bosoms bigger than normal and I need something I can lift up to bf - esp if he kicks off in church. I don't want to go looking like too much of a lardy arse as I've lost a bit of weight now. Can't find anything to show it off and let me feed....sigh All this close fitting victoriana nonsense makes me look like something from the kitchen in Mary Poppins.
Any thoughts ladies?

Meant to say I saw Princess either Beatrice or Eugenie shopping in Top Shop - asking for something in 'a really chunky knit' I had to stop myself from saying 'No go for something fitted, you're chunky enough already' (is there a 'ooo you bitch' icon???)

Lynny - sorry to hear about your bladder probs, my friend had this and is now totally fine.

expressing well i have problems getting milk out but its getting in the baby thats our problem!! i'm dreading italy next week. i'm at a conference so my mum will have both dd's during the day, but leaving dd2 is going to be hard.