June Mummies 3 - One handed typers over here!!

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A new thread.

Hi Tea (waves) Don't think I'm doing very well on the amount of night feeds - still up twice but it's just the end of co-sleeping and being up in the evening that I"m rejoicing over. I supposed to be working on getting rid of the midnight feed next......but I don't want to jinx what I've achieved so far so am reluctant to fiddle about!

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Hi ya Welshie managed to settle dd after her loud awakening!

Know what you mean about jinxing - everytime I say anything is going well on here it suddenly stops

I'm lucky from early on I managed to get dd to go down to sleep between 7-8pm and then I have the feeds I mentioned below. I thought if I tried a dream feed about 10.30ish she'd then go longer...but no the greedy little minx takes that and then still wakes for her regular feeds ...so now I leave her in the hope that she'll just go through by herself...yup like that so didn't work for ds so why I think it will for dd heaven only knows - eternal optimism I guess

Hi lynny - x posts there good to see you again!

Just a quick rant ladies, had the effing MIL on the phone just now "when can I come round today when I can actually SEE Toby?" (apparently he is invisible when he's asleep) ARRRRGGGHHHHHHH

Right, gotta go, still tidying up for the cleaner coming round!

Hello All

I'm back, with a brand, spanking new computer

You all look wonderful on a 19" flat screen!!!

How was the meet??? I feel as though I haven't been on here for ages, I suppose it has been a week or so. Dd1 at nursery, but I have to go and get her soon. Dd1 being gorgeous everywhere we go she gets compliments

The girls had their Christening yesterday which turned out to be such a special, moving occasion for us. The church service was wonderful and the family gathering afterwards was surprisingly stress-free!! All branches of the family socialising effortlessly - thank God!! The weather was gorgeous too and all the children ended up running through the sprinkler on the lawn, it was a fab day.

I shall be back later to check what you have all been doing while I've been away!

Thank goodness for h, i and p I can type!!!

xxx

...just glanced at your sleep lady advice Welshie - thank you!!! Some sound tips there. We don't struggle much with sleep, although she is waking up at about 5 and seems to just want to get into our bed??!!! No food, just snuggles! But, a routine like that looks great, especially as I am going to the gym 4 night a week now (bikini countdown is on)!!!

Must read on...

hello all
glad meet went well, hope you all had a nice time.
lovely weekend spent at kew gardens.
all the sleep thing makes me want to post, alas dd rather cranky today.
its hard being a parent and they cant even talk back yet...or disagree...or say they hate us

Hello and welcome back Welshie and Lippy

Not much going on in camp pink. I'm off to college tomorrow and DS is off to the childminders.

Oh Lippy I'm envious of your gym endeavours - - I would need to find one with a cresh so I am just getting flabbier by the second.

Pink, I meant to say a MASSIVE Congratulations at your exam results!!!! What a remarkable achievement considering all you were going through at the time!!!

Welshie !! I think I know the Sleep Lady!!! I'll CAT you.

Hello Junies - Please forgive me, but not having posted since Friday and not even switching 'puter on yesterday at all, am going to be a lazy mare and just start fresh here .

Just to update, I have managed to move dds bedtime forward to approx 7pm now, which is great as once I have fed her, it means dh and I can have dinner at the same time! Her morning wakeups are getting earlier too, so she was awake at 7.15am this morning. She's turning herself into a gina baby , .

Naps are still a nightmare. I can get her to nap fairly easily, but only for half hour at a time (literally to the second!), so I feed like the entire day is based around these short naps. She seems to really need longer ones, but can't settle once she is in REM sleep, even if I rock her buggy for half an hour!!!!! On a friends advice, I am going to start trying to get her to take a 9am nap in her cot, as once asleep in there at night, she usually settles herself, so I am hoping this might lead to a longer nap time!? .

Hope your dds and dss are all well.

I have also joined the new haircut gang this weekend. I'm with Mrs W on the massage bit - maybe we should just forget the haircuts and go for hour long head massages . In fact given that within a few hours my hair was once more back in a ponytail, that might well make much more sense .

Hopefully moving dd from moses basket to cot tonight - very nervous in case it buggers things up, but will be gritting my teeth. Also has anyone else found the drop down sides a nightmare? Seems really hard, noisy and rickety. Hoping I will get the knack (or I'm knackered - boom boom .

See you later x

Hi Everyone,

Just a quick mail to let you know that I am still alive! We have been on holiday and since we've got back, my lovely cherub has started to scream for an hour every night!! Added to that, I am trying to study hard for my exams, so am really busy.

Hope everyone is keeping well. Sorry I missed the meet-up got my dates all wrong.

x

Just a quickie for today I am afraid.
EYM - How was it today??
Lippy - Welcome back, good to 'see' you
Mandy - Hooray for your 'Gina' baby
I left dd last night after she finally dropped off at 2100hrs and didn't bother with the 2230 feed. I thought I would see what happened and she woke at 0230 and 0430 and then up at 0730, same as on other nights. Tonight I might try the 2230 feed to see if there is any difference. Then again I might juse be too tired and not bother. I have completely gone off the expressing and trying bottle idea as she hates it so I guess I am sacrificing a few things for the next few months. Because of this I think a routine is finally in order so that I can go to the gym, library, hairdressers etc without worrying about dd2 starving. I just hope dd2 realises this too . Now dd is back at creche we will hopefully be able to start on it. DD1 charged into creche today, very happy to be there and managed to do a wee on a potty there too. Hoorah! Have to go as need to do washing up and want to read a bit before bed. Take care all and sorry if I have missed anything crucial.

4 nights a week!!!!Bloody hell Lippy I bet you look good on it.
Pink - can you repost your exam results - I want to know how well you did. Congrats.
Coop - I know what you mean about expressing I just can't be bothered - although I do have a very good party invite for the end of Sept.....

hi all
dh home cooking and entertaining the child so got a few minutes

mandymac have same problem with daytime naps, she just does not sleep longer than 1/2hr and can get realy cranky. maybe i should do more about daytime routines.

reading about nightime sleep or lack thereof i keep thinking how hard it was at first, i think mostly because i was so emotinal, my friend who had been pregnant at same time and with similar history to mine lost her baby one day after he was born, on the day mine was born.
i found out while i was still in hospital worried sick that mine had jaundice and was not breastfeeding.
when i got home i would not let her out of my sight and we were co sleeping. still, there were times when she was not settling and kept crying when i was at my wits end and kicked dh awake because i just could not take it anymore.

eventually we started a bedtime routine, not of time but sequence of events, play bath feed bed. this seemed to help and gradually her bedtime moved from 12 am to now 7.30-8. she no longer goes to sleep on the breast and usually sleeps ok, one day at the time.
this was helpfull on a weekend when we spent a lot of time out shopping and she had been playing in her new gym, we were late with everything and she was getting more and more cranky, it got to a point when she just screamed, so loud and with such intensity that it scared me, rigid body red face.. dh got her bath ready and as soon as she was put next to it she calmed down, pronto, no screams, no tears just smiles(?!!) babies!

i also think all babies are different and suit different things, as are mummies, this is hard enough without beating ourselves up about not being perfect.
still they are gorgeous little things
ps- sorry about long post thing

More than anything Welshie, I feel fab getting loads of exercise, being away from the children doing something fun and watching MTV and stuff while I work hard!! I actually only do 2 gym sessions and 2 swimming sessions, but the aim is to get that hours worth of me time.

But, it doesn't always get to be 4 times. I was planning on going tonight, but poor dp is still not home, and since he left at 6:15 to gym this morning, I don't think I'll bother going when he gets back, it's too late and I wont see him!

By the way, how does one get a bf baby to take a bottle of expressed milk???? Is it just perseverence?

Lummox!

Ds went to sleep at 7 for the second time tonight. Last night he managed a dream feed, then just two feeds in the night and awake at 7.30.

Can't say he was cooing and smiling when he woke up (he was crying to be fed as normal) but everything else pretty amazing.

We too have our evenings back. Still can't quite believe it.

Welshmum- I hadn't seen your more detailed post when I decided to do a 7 pm bedtime, so haven't done anything like your picture book thing, but have kept ds awake from 4 and feed either side of his bath, and it seems to be working [touching virtual wood]. Thank you, thank the sleep lady - guess should also thank ds.

Lipstickmum - we tried ds with a bottle of expressed milk when he was six weeks and he went bananas. When he was about ten weeks a friend recommended MUM bottles and teats, so thought we would give them a try. Also I saw a MN thread where Mears suggested starting a feed with the boob and then quickly taking the baby off and popping a bottle in. Don't know whether it was the different bottle or Mears' tip, but ds now takes a bottle fairly well. Can't say he likes it much, and it does make him more windy than the boob. Also, his latch is really strange when he fist has the boob again after a bottle feed. BUT he will take a whole feed from dh (without the need for a boob at the start, obviously - dh is talented, but not that talented ).

Hi All

Before you think that the 7pm thing seems too perfect, forgot to mention that due to the dodgy naps in the daytime, it has involved leaving her to cry for about half an hour to settle herself . I feel awful, but if I try and calm her, it just seems to delay the inevitable melt down due to overtiredness. Uurgh it is so hard and horrible! I feel like I've let her down by letting her get so overtired, even though I have spent today trying to get enough daytime sleep in, including probably approx 2hours in total jiggling her in her buggy to get her to nap for 2 hours.

Sorry to ramble, my nerves are frazzled with the crying, it only stopped about 20 mins ago. Last night she woke up after half an hour, but had settled enough for me to feed her and she went to sleep after that until I woke her at 10.30 for her dream feed.

On the bright side, spent the half hour she was crying ironing dh's work shirts - which btw I never do!, Whilst he made a lovely spag bol.

Anyone else dealing with the crying thing before bed, or has anyone done it and come out the other side yet???

Night Junies

Lummox - Congrats on having your night back!
Lippy - congrats and respect for getting out and doing exercise! I sooo need to do the same....

I am just insisting with DS to have a bottle myself. He clearly dislikes it, and keeps moving towards the breasts...He usually takes btw 1 and 3 oz with much insisting. I keepmeaning to buy the mum teats. Someone else recommend it to me too. But...
out of curiosity? What are your babies taking as "a fuill feed" of EBM?

Hi Mandymac. Can't help with the crying thing, I'm afraid. We're very lucky on that one. Ds cries when he's hungry, but not much else. When I put him down to sleep he does often cry, but I find that if I then feed him he only feeds for about a minute and then goes straight to sleep.

Lua - I'm never quite sure what is a full feed. Ds is now 14.5 weeks and weighs 7 kilos/15 lbs 5ish. I am working on the basis of him needing about 5 ounces, although he won't take more than about four from a bottle. I guess it varies according to the weight/age of the baby. I think he only takes from the bottle when he is really hungry, and after 4 ounces has had enough to not be actively hungry any more. Some weeks ago we did test weigh him before and after a normal feed and he put on exactly four ounces during the feed. That was when he was about ten weeks, so I am assuming he now needs about 1 oz more.

Sorry - a bit long and rambly. Hope it makes sense.

KVG - cross posted. Sorry everything seeming so annoying. There is nothing worse than having a hard time and then reading about the various impossible things which would apparently make it so much better. Hope that a big glass of wine will help a bit.

well just back from a lovely anniversary dinner with DH and the girls, 7 years today. I was a child bride obviously! it quite strange to think we've been married so long, most of our friends didn't get married until last year or the year before!

i'm not stressing about sleep this time round, we didn't get DD1 sorted untilshe was nearly 2 so i'm not too bothered. DD2 goes down at about 7.30pm and then will have either one or two feed in the night.

Got to think what to get DH for his birthday.

Off to italy on sunday for a weeks conference, taking both girls which should be fun.

KVG, if it makes you feel any better, I am battling with Tracy as well, and my ds had a dream feed today - at four o'clock in the flipping afternoon! God alone knows what is going to happen tonight

All I will say is, there are no prescriptive rules for babies. Mine will quite often do his 'activity' before his feed, there's nothing I can do about it, so c'est la vie as far as I am concerned! You are not doing it wrong. Does it ever get easier? Well, I imagine we'll be worrying about different things in 18 years' time

Anyway, will catch up properly later but KVG's post caught my eye as it so completely echoes my own feelings of paralysis about ever getting sorted out. "THIS TOO SHALL PASS"!

Evening junies hugssssss

KVG im sorry your having a rough time hunny i would defantly advice a botlle of wine or two wink

Coops William was fine with his first injections, bless him was quite supprised and he did cry but just for a short time, and then had a good nap this afternoon for two hours which is amazing for him as he usually only naps or 30 mins like the rest of our june babies.

We didnt see the doctor we saw the peadractic nurse so i couldnt discuss cancer screening grrrrrr so i will have to make another app this week.

As or sleeping william is the same wakes between 2am and 3am and then wakes between 5am and 6am would love him just to wake once. Will try with a bed routine this week and see how it goes.

So hopefully william will be ok tonite no temp so far and hes fast asleep now.

nite june mumies and babies lets all sleep better tonite xxxxxxxx