I can't tell you how much I hope the Conservatives win the election.

[AntoinetteOuradi]

Just had to get that off my chest.

Please come and join me if you feel the same, and then I can stop annoying myself (and others) by hijacking the anti-Tory threads.

The thought of listening to his sloany voice and seeing his Botox-ed spam for years on end makes me actually contemplate something I swore 9 years ago never to do: leave the country.

But with him and his in power, I just won't see anything here for people like us or our kids other than getting screwed because he doesn't care. He can't, he doesn't have a clue. And even if he did, he doesn't understand and cares about his cronies more.

He wins, it's time to think about walking.

Because all these cuts he plans to make, they're going to make our lives a misery, and we do have the choice of someplace where, well, at least the VAT's not so high.

you may be spot on, expat

I'm glad you find that funny, lilmiss.

Other peoples' misery is apparently an acceptable form of humour for members of the Bullingdon Club, too.

How charming.

Well, electra, obviously it's quite a nice thing to smile about.

The awfulness of the Bullingdon Club ... seriously membership of that particular club should automatically disbar people from any form of office ... We're faced with the spectacle of not only the Mayor of London, but now the prospective PM and Chancellor of the Exchequer being ex-Bullies...

But Labour are seriously going to fuck the economy up even more than they have already fucked it up ...

Is it time to spoil a ballot paper or vote Lib-Dem?

Do you know expat, that really pisses me off, that's like the dinner guest that demands to be served different food from everyone else and then sods off home without even offering to clean up the plates.

It's so nice that you can escape somewhere else after enjoying the good times under labour as they squandered the wealth of this country, good for you, some of us have to stay here and clean up after your gone.

How many Brits has labour driven to emigrate over the last 13 years with their leftie bullshit, with their databases and their erossion of civil liberties and their dismantling of the education system and their assult on families?

It's rhetorical, too many, because we were left with all the leftie / liberal dregs of society voting for more of the same crap.

atlantis - that is unfair - expat was not gloating about being able to move elsewhere - I took her meaning that she feels she will have no other choice as life will be so bad here.

What exactly do you mean by 'leftie bullshit'???

'It's rhetorical, too many, because we were left with all the leftie / liberal dregs of society voting for more of the same crap.'

Nice attitude - so those of us who actually care about society as a whole are 'dregs' are we?

"atlantis - that is unfair - expat was not gloating about being able to move elsewhere - I took her meaning that she feels she will have no other choice as life will be so bad here."

She has a choice, she can stay and clean up the mess like everyone else, earlier she said her children would move away so as to not have to pay tax or vat.

Life's going to be bad here whoever gets in, suck it up, people had the party now it's time for the hangover.

"What exactly do you mean by 'leftie bullshit'??? "

Exactly what I said, databases , erossion of civil liberties, dismantling of the education system , assult on families, big brother, I.D cards, big state little person, the we know better attitude of government.

"Nice attitude - so those of us who actually care about society as a whole are 'dregs' are we? "

It always comes back to the 'we care about society' attitude, when no, in fact people who vote labour obviously didn't give a rats about society in general, if they did they wouldn't have voted for the above.

I don't think caring about society means sitting back and watching pensioners struggle with the dilemma of heating or food.

I don't think caring about society means watching as neighbourhoods rip themselves apart with gangs of kids carrying knives.

I don't think caring about society means voting back in a government who took it's people into an illegal war and placed good people in harms way.

I certainly don't think caring about society means electing a government that spies on it's people.

And I certainly don't think caring about society means voting for a government that allows the gap between rich and poor to widen faster than under those 'bad' tories.

Where was this party everyone had? I think I missed it

I do agree about ID cards but I think the downsides of a tory government would be worse. Remember the poll tax? A poster on here the other day was saying that she was paying 25% of her income on this tax when she had just started out working.

It all depends whether you fall to the left or the right, but there is really no need to insult other people who don't think the same way you do by referring to them as 'dregs'

I have conservative voting friends, I respect their views and don't refer to them as 'unprincipled' just because I don't agree with tory policies.

'It always comes back to the 'we care about society' attitude, when no, in fact people who vote labour obviously didn't give a rats about society in general, if they did they wouldn't have voted for the above.'

That's ridiculous - if people don't agree with you they are wrong and don't care? Many of us who don't like tory policies did not like the 'I'm alright Jack' selfish mentality that seemed to define Thatcher's era.

"It all depends whether you fall to the left or the right, but there is really no need to insult other people who don't think the same way you do by referring to them as 'dregs'"

Maybe because it's late, or maybe because i'm just pee'd off with everyone claiming that conservative voters are all well off and don't give a poop about anyone but themselves, the lib/ labs don't have the monopoly on caring you know.

Maybe if we didn't give a rats we would all vote LAB-dem and let them get on with finishing off the country, handing it over to europe, bankrupting us.

Trouble is we do care.

"Many of us who don't like tory policies did not like the 'I'm alright Jack' selfish mentality that seemed to define Thatcher's era. "

There you go again, Thatcher, always Thatcher, do you really believe David Cameron is a Margaret Thatcher clone?

Why is Labour allowed to reinvent itself and become nu-lbour, and the lib-dems are allowed to evolve into the 'third' party (when they have more clowns than the local circus ) , but the Conservatives are not allowed to leave the Thatcher era behind and become, dare I say nu-conservatives??

There are two types of people in this world, those who can count and those who vote Labour.

They say if you're not a socialist at 16 you're heartless - if you're still a socialist at 30 you're brainless.

Skihorse, I find that interesting, having worked with a great many numerate and educated people who - dare I say it - have voted - and probably wills still vote Labour. (They used to be particularly thick on the ground in the dept of applied economics at Cambridge, not, IME, a breeding ground of brainless idiots.)

There are strong disagreements about the best approach to take to the economy, and anyone who claims to have all the answers is awaiting a fall, but there are certainly many well respected economists who feel that Labour's approach to the crisis has been the right one. (Which is not to say that their approach BEFORE the crisis was necessarily right!)

'There you go again, Thatcher, always Thatcher, do you really believe David Cameron is a Margaret Thatcher clone?'

I've heard him talk, I've read his policies and those of his party. I don't see any evidence of 'nu-conservatism' at all I'm afraid. Sounds like the same-old, same-old to me.

Atlantis -

Interesting to hear your memories of the 1980s.

I too grew up in the 80s and remember that bad stuff, also the good things you describe (community spirit, people looking out for each other etc).

I also see those things in the area where I live now - kids playing together outside, neighbours helping each other out.

Also re your comment on pensioners... it was the Labour government who introduced the heating allowance in the winter of 1997/98.

Link here (It's a pdf).

'It's so nice that you can escape somewhere else after enjoying the good times under labour as they squandered the wealth of this country, good for you, some of us have to stay here and clean up after your gone.'

Well, gees, alantis, some of your fellow Tory supporters banged on and on about how they were going to jump ship, too!

In fact, so many of them already have. Well, on paper at least. They are non-doms.

Funny that.

'earlier she said her children would move away so as to not have to pay tax or vat.'

And here's a little newsflash: there isn't a country on this earth where you don't pay tax.

So regardless of where you live, you're going to have to pay it.

Oh, that's right, unless you're a non-dom!

LOL.

I don't think it really matters who wins does it - taxes have to go up and servies have to be cut...its going to be the same for whoever

Oh my goodness. I start a thread as an umbrella for the three Tories on MN, and we are invaded by lefties.

Hey ho. Atlantis, you are fighting our corner admirably. Demosthenes, it would have helped if you had provided a link in the first place rather than offering a sweeping statement that was basically along the lines of 'all Tories are queer-bashers'. That would create debate rather than the 'oh honestly', eye-rolling response that I gave it.

Demosthenes, I am quite amused by your insistence on your real name. Lady BlahBlah on another politics post thought it funny when I called her LadyBlairBlair!

Antoinette...read 'Why I'll be voting LIB DEM' from a EX staunch Tory voter. Be the change that you want by bringing in a real democracy. Perhaps you need to look beyond personal gain.