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Greens adopt policy treating Zionism as racism (part 2)

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Twiglets1 · 09/10/2026 09:42

Follow on from previous thread

www.mumsnet.com/talk/politics/5585462-greens-adopt-policy-treating-zionism-as-racism?page=40&reply=155235707

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WinterGold · 09/10/2026 18:18

Douglasmummy · 09/10/2026 17:46

Listening to Polanski this morning on Today and the News Agents podcast, I'm really concerned about the Labour Party pulling towards The Greens. Why tf, after they tanked in 2019 under Corbyn would they want to pull Left again, and so far Left, trying to undo the one thing that Kier Starmer managed to do which was get rid of all the anti semites in Labour and tell them they were not welcome. They didn't disappear they went to to The Greens, along with the old Trots expelled by Kinnock and sat on by Blair. It's just very disappointing. Kemi Badenoch who is in a worse political position explicitly distanced herself from the Hard Right Reform and Restore yet Burnham is courting the Radical Left and Radical Islam by being wishy washy on a Green policy that is openly discriminatory to British citizens.

Agree completely - but are we back to the elephant in the room - the Muslim vote?

EasternStandard · 09/10/2026 18:22

Douglasmummy · 09/10/2026 17:46

Listening to Polanski this morning on Today and the News Agents podcast, I'm really concerned about the Labour Party pulling towards The Greens. Why tf, after they tanked in 2019 under Corbyn would they want to pull Left again, and so far Left, trying to undo the one thing that Kier Starmer managed to do which was get rid of all the anti semites in Labour and tell them they were not welcome. They didn't disappear they went to to The Greens, along with the old Trots expelled by Kinnock and sat on by Blair. It's just very disappointing. Kemi Badenoch who is in a worse political position explicitly distanced herself from the Hard Right Reform and Restore yet Burnham is courting the Radical Left and Radical Islam by being wishy washy on a Green policy that is openly discriminatory to British citizens.

I think Burnham will do anything to try and not lose the next GE. Including a big old left coalition.

Douglasmummy · 09/10/2026 18:35

WinterGold · 09/10/2026 18:18

Agree completely - but are we back to the elephant in the room - the Muslim vote?

Well yes but I suspect this issue is ultimately being caused by our lax attitude to hostile countries like Iran and lax attitudes to fundamentalism within ethnic minority communities, which means that men, in the main in those communities on a power trip see their chance to impose themselves on their community through fear and by invoking some kind of false piety, encouraged by extremists preaching hardline ideology in Mosques. There may be a large Muslim bloc vote but there shouldn't be if they were really free to decide for themselves who they vote for. If they aren't then that is the fault of politicians who aren't ' pandering' to Muslims. They are pandering to male community 'leaders' claiming to speak for everyone but the kind of people who picket schools, disrupt Muslim girls' education, deprived them of teachers who are hounded out by them and deprive Muslim women of their vote by telling them who to vote for. Mostly the poorest and least educated. It is politicians fault, especially those on the Left who have pandered to this small group of men because they want them to manipulate the vote in their favour. Muslims come from hugely different parts of the world with different experiences. If they were truly ' free' to vote however they liked, there would be no more a 'muslim' vote as there would be a 'Hindu' vote or a 'Catholic' vote.

Twiglets1 · 09/10/2026 18:39

It's all a bit depressing isn't it?

If Labour go all hard left they will lose moderate voters.

If ever there was a time for Burnham to show a bit of backbone it's now.

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WinterGold · 09/10/2026 18:43

Douglasmummy · 09/10/2026 18:35

Well yes but I suspect this issue is ultimately being caused by our lax attitude to hostile countries like Iran and lax attitudes to fundamentalism within ethnic minority communities, which means that men, in the main in those communities on a power trip see their chance to impose themselves on their community through fear and by invoking some kind of false piety, encouraged by extremists preaching hardline ideology in Mosques. There may be a large Muslim bloc vote but there shouldn't be if they were really free to decide for themselves who they vote for. If they aren't then that is the fault of politicians who aren't ' pandering' to Muslims. They are pandering to male community 'leaders' claiming to speak for everyone but the kind of people who picket schools, disrupt Muslim girls' education, deprived them of teachers who are hounded out by them and deprive Muslim women of their vote by telling them who to vote for. Mostly the poorest and least educated. It is politicians fault, especially those on the Left who have pandered to this small group of men because they want them to manipulate the vote in their favour. Muslims come from hugely different parts of the world with different experiences. If they were truly ' free' to vote however they liked, there would be no more a 'muslim' vote as there would be a 'Hindu' vote or a 'Catholic' vote.

Yes, you’re right to point this out - very well worded and clarified. You make a very valid point about a hardcore group of community leaders and/or imams dominating and dictating voting intentions, so I was clumsy to infer it was all Muslims per se.

EasternStandard · 09/10/2026 18:44

I’m not sure they’ll go hard left I think they’ll take whatever support in numbers to get over the line at the next GE. Including with the Greens.

Hedgerowmanager · 09/10/2026 19:01

Twiglets1 · 09/10/2026 18:39

It's all a bit depressing isn't it?

If Labour go all hard left they will lose moderate voters.

If ever there was a time for Burnham to show a bit of backbone it's now.

They will keep the unions though.

ScarlettOYara · 09/10/2026 19:09

Twiglets1 · 09/10/2026 18:39

It's all a bit depressing isn't it?

If Labour go all hard left they will lose moderate voters.

If ever there was a time for Burnham to show a bit of backbone it's now.

They won't go hard left, it was an absolute fiasco with Corbyn as leader.

BewaretheIckabog · 09/10/2026 19:13

I’m a bit behind on the conversation but has everyone seen the brilliant letter from Highgate Synagogue to Mark Blake, leader of the Haringey Greens.

Twiglets1 · 09/10/2026 19:33

BewaretheIckabog · 09/10/2026 19:13

I’m a bit behind on the conversation but has everyone seen the brilliant letter from Highgate Synagogue to Mark Blake, leader of the Haringey Greens.

I've just read it as a result of your post - wow!

Telling it how it is.

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ScarlettOYara · 09/10/2026 19:33

BewaretheIckabog · 09/10/2026 19:13

I’m a bit behind on the conversation but has everyone seen the brilliant letter from Highgate Synagogue to Mark Blake, leader of the Haringey Greens.

No, can you link or summarise, please?

Douglasmummy · 09/10/2026 19:34

WinterGold · 09/10/2026 18:43

Yes, you’re right to point this out - very well worded and clarified. You make a very valid point about a hardcore group of community leaders and/or imams dominating and dictating voting intentions, so I was clumsy to infer it was all Muslims per se.

I think you are correct though that there is a ' Muslim vote' bloc but that is a symptom of democracy not working. Yet instead of politicians saying that one person one vote unequivocally means that they give undue power to these people, encouraging them and justifying what they are doing within their own community.

BewaretheIckabog · 09/10/2026 19:38

Not good with links but ….

Greens adopt policy treating Zionism as racism (part 2)
Greens adopt policy treating Zionism as racism (part 2)
ScarlettOYara · 09/10/2026 19:41

Douglasmummy · 09/10/2026 19:34

I think you are correct though that there is a ' Muslim vote' bloc but that is a symptom of democracy not working. Yet instead of politicians saying that one person one vote unequivocally means that they give undue power to these people, encouraging them and justifying what they are doing within their own community.

I also think that many mosques have become Wahhabist in the last 15-20 years, they're giving messages of exceptionalism and inequality, and very damaging attitudes to Jews.

ScarlettOYara · 09/10/2026 19:41

BewaretheIckabog · 09/10/2026 19:38

Not good with links but ….

Sorry, I can't read that, I'll try and find it online.

Twiglets1 · 09/10/2026 19:43

ScarlettOYara · 09/10/2026 19:33

No, can you link or summarise, please?

Councillor Mark Blake, the leader of Haringey council is understood to have written to a number of Synagogues in the borough following the passing of the “Zionism is Racism” vote at Green party conference, saying that “the motion does not change Haringey Council’s policies, priorities or ways of working – we remain committed to fighting antisemitism and working proactively with Jewish communities to prioritise community safety for all.”

In his email, Blake also described how he knew that the adoption of the motion “will be a cause of concern for people in our borough, and I want to acknowledge those concerns and would welcome the chance to hear them directly from you.

“As Leader of the Council, I want to reassure you that I will continue to work closely with our community partners to tackle racism in all its forms, listen to the concerns of our communities, and ensure everyone feels safe and respected.”

In response, Highgate United Synagogue told Blake that “we take it from both the tone and the content of your email that you are deeply embarrassed with the decision taken by your party to not only brand Zionism as racism but to call for the eradication by any means necessary including violence, of the only Jewish state, the only practising democracy in the Middle East, and also home to half of the world’s Jewish population.

“We are not surprised you are embarrassed. The policy decision which has not just been endorsed by but was publicly celebrated by the Haringey branch of the Green Party, of which we assume you are a member, is thus aligning itself with Hamas, a genocidal, homophobic and misogynistic Islamist terrorist organisation not only responsible for the worst massacre of Jews since the Holocaust, but countless murders and torture of its own people. You may not be aware that members of our synagogue have close relatives and friends who perished in that pogrom… not to mention other horrendous terrorist atrocities carried out in the name of the resistance that your party supports.”

“Our synagogue, along with the majority of British synagogues, recites weekly Sabbath prayers for both the Royal Family of the United Kingdom and the State of Israel and will continue to do so, irrespective of what you or other Green Party members think”, the letter, which was signed by the Synagogue’s rabbi, Nicky Liss, and its co-chairs, Jennifer Josephs and Anthony Silverman, continued.

“Love of Zion and a hope to be able to return to live in our ancestral homeland is integral to all streams of Judaism, as, it so happens, is stewardship of nature and respect for all life. During the appalling Middle Eastern war, we prayed every week for an end to hostilities and an end to all suffering, of Palestinians as well as Jews and for a full and lasting peace.”

The Highgate Synagogue letter went on to tell Councillor Blake: “We don’t accept your assurances that we are safe under your watch. You may see no connection between the ceaseless vilification of Israel, the blood libels that you and your party regularly trot out, and the hostility to Jews in this country, but we do.

“If this motion does not mean that Jews in Haringey who have family or friends in Israel, or who attend our synagogue, or who maybe aren’t religious but believe that there is a place for a haven for the tattered remnant of the most persecuted race on earth, are considered by you and your party as racists and by implication fair game for ostracism, intimidation, violence or worse, please explain to us what else it means. And if that is indeed what it means, and we are pretty sure that those who voted for it believe that is precisely what it means, how can we as Jews feel safe when the largest party of the borough we live in, entirely peacefully up to now, publicly align yourself with the most virulent jew-hating racists of all, Hamas and the Nazis.”

The Synagogue representatives described how “As it is, despite living in one of the most peaceful and crime free parts of the borough, we have had as a synagogue to invest substantial sums in building terrorism-proof fences round our premises, and employ both volunteers and professional security with stab vests to ensure we can continue to function not just as a place of worship but as a focus for our community.

“In addition to our daily threat of the kind of lethal attacks we saw in Manchester and closer to home in Golders Green, we are having to cope with myriad, not so trivial, microaggressions such that our elderly are frightened to identify as Jewish when going into an NHS hospital, parents are worried about sending their children to universities for fear of the abuse they are likely to receive, and young Jews starting their careers are hiding their identity in case it damages their prospects or leads to ostracism and abuse in the workplace.

“That is a direct result of you and your comrades’ obsessive and ignorantly one-sided view of one of the world’s most intractable conflicts and your determination to bring that obsession into every facet of life here in Britain. So your embarrassment is not enough. If you really want us to feel you do not agree with the racist and genocidal implications of your party’s policy, the least we can expect is for you to publicly resile yourself from that policy and commit yourself and your party colleagues to reverse that policy and to educate themselves about the realities of the Middle East conflict, and about Jewish life, before you pronounce on these matters with such unshakeable certainty again.”

https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/synagogue-rejects-green-council-leaders-attempt-to-reassure-them-after-zionism-is-racism-vote/

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ScarlettOYara · 09/10/2026 19:49

Thank you, Twiglets, excellent points.
It's absolutely shameful that Jewish people feel so threatened and so unsafe.

ScarlettOYara · 09/10/2026 19:50

It is an obsession.

Douglasmummy · 09/10/2026 19:57

Wow. What a brilliant letter. Good for him for not accepting The Greens self important pronouncement that their policies aren't aimed at British Jews. Using the Corbynite argument of 'No no, you are just too stupid to understand what we mean!' defence to everything.

AlwaysRoomForGin · 09/10/2026 20:35

Thank you @Twiglets1 for the new thread and to all posting excellent comments so far.

IF I was a conspiracy theorist and wearing my tin foil hat, I might ponder that hard line pro-pals, Mothin Ali etc had timetabled the motion on Sunday at their conference very deliberately ahead of yesterday's vote: they foresaw the motion would ensure the titty whisperer could not would not attend the Green party conference leaving him looking even more of a coward than ever. More importantly though, they would recognise the cause-effect of such a hideous motion - thus ensuring ZP would be a sure bet to lose his seat and ultimately clearing the way for a vote of no confidence in him, end goal being to elect a new leader with even more hard line anti Israel views and policies AND an Islamic party by stealth.......
(I do realise this makes me sound unhinged but equally is it so very unfathomable?!🤔)

Douglasmummy · 09/10/2026 20:44

I think there have been a huge number of entryists to the party, invited especially in order to propose and vote for this motion. I doubt they have suddenly discovered environmentalism. I think no matter what the 4 MPs have said about it only being 1% of the party voting they have lost the party to hard Left entryists. I wouldn't be surprised if they are planning a full scale coup.

EasternStandard · 09/10/2026 20:46

AlwaysRoomForGin · 09/10/2026 20:35

Thank you @Twiglets1 for the new thread and to all posting excellent comments so far.

IF I was a conspiracy theorist and wearing my tin foil hat, I might ponder that hard line pro-pals, Mothin Ali etc had timetabled the motion on Sunday at their conference very deliberately ahead of yesterday's vote: they foresaw the motion would ensure the titty whisperer could not would not attend the Green party conference leaving him looking even more of a coward than ever. More importantly though, they would recognise the cause-effect of such a hideous motion - thus ensuring ZP would be a sure bet to lose his seat and ultimately clearing the way for a vote of no confidence in him, end goal being to elect a new leader with even more hard line anti Israel views and policies AND an Islamic party by stealth.......
(I do realise this makes me sound unhinged but equally is it so very unfathomable?!🤔)

The timing is unfortunate but I think party conference season is always at the time they did it and the by-election was determined by Starmer’s resignation.

The motion is a conference thing. So on timing Burnham got lucky and the Greens didn’t.

Neverstopwondering · 09/10/2026 21:37

Funny when they argue

Greens adopt policy treating Zionism as racism (part 2)
WinterGold · 09/10/2026 21:55

Superb response from Highgate United Synagogue. I’ll be fascinated to see if they get the courtesy of a reply and what sort of acknowledgement there is to the extremely valid points raised.

These threads have reminded me of the quote from Golda Meir, prime minister of Israel 1969 - 1974.
“The world hates a Jew who hits back. The world loves us only when we are to be pitied.”
That was never more prophetic than now.

Twiglets1 · 10/10/2026 06:08

On Friday, betting figures suggested Polanski was odds-on to be replaced as party leader before the next General Election.

In 11 months time, he must stand for re-election under party rules. Internally, he faces challenges from both flanks. The more traditional Greens who have not left the party are not going to give up without a fight. Sian Berry, the Green MP for Brighton Pavilion for example, has urged members not to quit but to “stay and let us fix this together”.

On the other hand, there is mounting pressure from entryists, who think Polanski ought to go even further with his Leftist agenda.

Source: The Telegraph.

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