Greens adopt policy treating Zionism as racism (part 2)

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Follow on from previous thread

www.mumsnet.com/talk/politics/5585462-greens-adopt-policy-treating-zionism-as-racism?page=40&reply=155235707

They won't, he's not an idiot

Meanwhile, back on the protests today and Iran is being championed. The same Iran that's executing people for carrying out their own protests. Yet some bad faith actors are still acting dumb on religion.

He might not have any choice if he wants Labour to be part of the government.

He'll never, ever go into a coalition of any kind with that kind of party.

I think the ' just war' concept is St Augustine rather than the Bible. I can't quite remember what it says but Pete Hegseth used it to justify war with Iran and got it completely wrong. I think it's about defending people from aggression. So WWII was a ' just war'. Catholics take teaching not only from The Bible but from Papal encyclicals and saints etc. It was because of this the Protestants exist ( basic!)

So, some people would champion a fascist, terror exporting, misogynist, homophobic, anti democratic, antisemitic regime.... openly?
Well. I'm not sure why they don't just go and live there. They obviously hate the West.

Absolutely. We have huge amounts of shit being pumped into our rivers and seas, huge questions over whether to drill in the North Sea again, and plans for huge energy and water-greedy data centres all over the country, let alone climate change or more local issues, and they say nothing about any of that and instead focus on a country thousands of miles away.

The antisemitism is so fucking obvious that you’d think a blind person could see it from space.

Fantastic letter from Highgate synagogue, though. The BBC and other news outlets should be putting that to Polanski and Mothin Ali to answer to.

Bet they don’t, though.

It baffles me, honestly. I read a FB post by a dog trainer (yep...) about supporting the voiceless including Palestinians etc etc and she followed it with a bunch of emojis including the trans flag, a watermelon and... the current flag of Iran.

The ignorance out there is mind-boggling.

There are lots of Arabs in Israel who have equal voting rights etc. The people of Palestine have been denied the right to vote by Hamas, not the Israeli government. There are refugees from Hamas who live in Israel. It is incredibly naive to think Palestinian state will exist with equal rights for all. It just will not happen. It is also not in the gift of the Green Party to state that as a policy. They have no influence or right. So what was the point in the motion? All it has done is justified the harassment of British Jews, and an attempt to drive the ' traditional' Greens out of the party and complete the Islamoleft takeover.

You're right of course, but there are too many willing fools who go along with the slogans and the chants.

Well well

This is clearly the purpose of the motion. To infiltrate The Greens and take it over from within. They intend to completely cannabalise the party from within.

Thanks for posting this, shocking but also what most of us expected was happening:

'In the Greens for Palestine meetings Animah Kosai, one of the co-chairs, said: “I don’t believe in serving the Green Party, and I think some people are going to hate me for this. I actually believe in using the party in order to reach certain goals. And in this case, for Palestine, for anti-imperialism.”'

' Lubna Speitan, one of the proposers of the “Zionism is racism” motion passed at the party’s conference on Sunday, said: “I’m going to knock on every door and just talk about Palestine […] It’s about the quality of membership and who we want to bring into this party.” She said that as part of campaigning for the Greens the group should “take our own flyers and leaflets with us — ‘come and join us for Palestine’”. She added: “This is our party and nothing’s going to say that quite as much and as well as more people like us being in here.”'

Wait until it comes out the French protests aren't really about education.

I do think they are about education at heart but that the far left and pro pal have hijacked the whole thing.

Same as Cable Street memorial march was about real anti fascism but got hijacked by them. Basically regular people are not allowed to have memorials, protests or vigils anymore without those cretins turning it into something about their own cause.

It's crazy. People in the UK care about the cost of living and the UK.

Wow.

I mean, it is what we suspected.

But still shocking somehow.

This ⬆️. Every cause has been taken over, I was particularly upset by the Cable St memorial protests. Shameful.
Same with the French school students and the Garvachy Road protests. Nothing seems free of the Palestine flag.

Some of these people - especially Queers for Palestine need to read this BBC report:

“Some 90 Palestinians who identify as LGBT currently live as asylum seekers in Israel, the newspaper said, after suffering discrimination in their home communities”

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-63174835

Yes, the ‘just war’ theory goes back to St Augustine. It isn’t in the Bible.

It true that John the Baptist and then Jesus didn’t call for Roman soldiers to leave the army. And Jesus also praised a Roman centurion for his faith.

But he wasn’t saying that what the Roman army did was fine, and he also discouraged the zealots from fighting against them. Instead, he told his hearers that they should ‘turn the other cheek’ and love their enemies. This clearly demonstrates that Jesus was definitely not supporting any ‘just war’ theory.

I don’t believe that warfare can be justified through any reading of the New Testament. You have to go back to the Old Testament and that is problematic on its own.

Thank you for that.
Their ignorance is off the charts.

Just at the cinema waiting for a film to start and there’s a barely concealed and emotive political advert for Medicine for Palestinian Doctors.

Unless you live in Palestine or Palestinian. Israel is a lovely country just unfortunate that's it's government is taking it to dark places.

Meanwhile children have amputations without anesthesia because Israel won't allow medicine through.

It's hard to defend the Israeli yet I hear people talk of a just war. The only war that is just is the one that involves defending yourself and I don't think killing children falls into that

Hamas is responsible for this.
They killed children, not as a consequence of war, but because they kidnapped them from their homes and murdered them.
War is terrible. It's terrible for everyone.
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