Anne Widdicombe Suspicious Death

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Suspicious death, suspected murder. Think there is a press conference soon.

I don't know what sort of kickback they've had but they've taken it down now.

Peter Tatchell has also rowed back. Presumably there was a backlash against him and then Socialist Worker which is the only reason they’ve removed the post or apologised.

Its not terrorism and probably not political. So most likely a robbery gone wrong. Maybe Ann cancelled an appointment due to the heat and the robber wasn't expecting her to be in and panicked.
Some scumbag targeting a well-off vulnerable older lady.

I didn’t like her views at all, but I defend her right to say them. She chose to be single and received misogyny for her looks, appearance and her biological sex.
BBC reports say he was found covered in blood with a serious head injury it says by her carer - but that sound like someone who went in - in the morning or something I’m not sure if she lived completely alone or not. Either way she was nearly 80 and didn’t deserve to die like that and not one should be rejoicing over a murder.

The fact that the daily fail refers to the suspect arrested as ‘white’ seems however disjointed would they do that for a ‘black’ suspect? Eg write a black man has been arrested. Why not say a man in his 20s has been arrested or whatever. Why bring race or colour into it. The fact that anyone is saying anything gleeful about a murder online or in interviews speaks buckets about them and is highly disappointing and just awful really.

I don’t like all this rounding on social media for crimes pulling immediately out a racially profile card. The colour of your skin should NOT make you more or less likely to be a suspect or criminal.

A despicable murder.

Whether you agreed with Ann Widdecombe's views or not, if today's politicians stood by their principles the way she did the country would be a better place.

Absolutely agree. Sorry but this was a vulnerable elderly woman who was brutally murdered. Can we not agree that this was a terrible act and that no-one deserves to die the way she did - scared and in pain ? Does it really need to be caveated with whether people agreed with her politics or not ?

i hope it doesn’t turn out this is a person known to her, she seemed to have been close to her family. I feel sorry for the carer that found her, they is life changing.

There are a lot of people to the left being gleeful, but that always seems to be the case. It very rarely happens the other way round, so I guess it tells us all we need to know about the morals of some people. If you don’t agree with her opinions or politics, then no need to say anything following her death if you’re not going to be respectful. Just keep schtum, surely….

I think the person’s race was mentioned to avoid speculation and putting non-white men spotted in the area at tue risk of attack. Racists would have rushed to misinform the public otherwise.

RIP to Ann Widdecombe. What a tragic end.

Awful, yet more violence against women.

I heard on the radio someone from around there saying it was remote and they'd never heard of anyone being burgled in the last 5 years.... or something.... so I don't think that's particularly likely. She lived on Dartmoor in I think not a particularly built up area.

I suspect she was an easy target for some low life. Physically Vulnerable. Old . Alone. Isolated home.

i also think he will go away for a long time due to the public pressure and heat from all political leaders. And I doubt he will have an easy time in prison. Killing vulnerable old ladies never goes down well.

When Margaret Thatcher died, lefties celebrated with "Ding Dong The Witch is dead".

That's so awful, and so lacking in humanity.

Come on, both sides are as bad as each other for this sort of thing.

A large % of men in prison are rapists, domestic abusers, murderers and pedophiles. They don't give a shit about women, young, old and everything in-between.

Are there? Gleeful? A lot? I've not seen any.

It's awful that this has happened to Ann.

I hope no one tries to make political gains from her death. And that Farage doesn't use it to deflect from his £5 million "security" payment.

Maybe a burglary gone wrong.

Great comment. I also disagreed with all her politics but couldn't help but admire her. For all the reasons you give and more. What a woman. God she must've been terrified. I feel sick.

🤷‍♀️ I don’t agree. It’s definitely more prevalent on the left…..not saying it never happens the other way round, but less likely to.

He will probably be put on a VP wing due to the current trend of prisoners trying to kill well-known prisoners.

It is possible to disagree or even hate her views and choices and not celebrate her murder.

For example I agree that both political sides do this sort of thing, but I do tend to see it more from the left

Really? You’ve not seen anything on social media? There’s loads of comments….

Not on MN there isn’t.

There are some on other forms of SM but just as many right wingers are saying vile things about her, so I don’t think it’s a left vs right issue.

"He is now in custody, being questioned on suspicion of murder. Just suspicion."

According to The Times earlier today, the man "has been arrested on suspicion of murder"

In the UK, police arrest people on the suspicion that they have committed an offence.

It is not the police, nor the CPS, who decide that a person is guilty of a crime. It is either a magistrate, judge or jury that decides this.

Everyone who is arrested by the police (unless there is a warrant out for their arrest) is arrested on suspicion of having committed an offence - unless the offence was actually observed taking place.

If I may point you to the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984, Section 24(2)

24(2) If a constable has reasonable grounds for suspecting that an offence has been committed, he may arrest without a warrant anyone whom he has reasonable grounds to suspect of being guilty of it.

The language of the law is all about "suspicion". It is only when a court gives its verdict (ie guilty or not guilty), or a person admits the offence, that a person is then convicted of that crime.

Up until then, everyone is indeed innocent until proved guilty.

But to try and say that the police have arrested him "on suspicion" and so that means nothing doesn't really fly.

Yes, he may indeed be entirely innocent. They may have the wrong person; it may not be murder but it may be manslaughter etc.

But I would suggest that it would be rather unusual for the police to arrest somebody for murder when there is not evidence to suggest that a murder has taken place.