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Change law to kick out Rochdale rapist, No 10 urged

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Twiglets1 · 03/07/2026 07:10

Reported in The Telegraph that Labour is facing mounting pressure to change immigration laws immediately so that a child rapist freed from jail can be deported.

Shabir Ahmed, 73, was sentenced to more than 20 years in jail after being convicted of 30 child rape offences as part of the Rochdale grooming gang.

But on Thursday, the Pakistan-born rapist was released after serving 14 years.

Britain stripped him of his citizenship, but cannot currently deport him because of protections granted to Commonwealth immigrants such as Ahmed under the Immigration Act 1971.

On Thursday, Downing Street said the Prime Minister had asked Shabana Mahmood, the Home Secretary, to “consider what can be done” to deport Ahmed, describing his case as “particularly heinous”.

It comes after Andy Burnham, expected to succeed Sir Keir Starmer as prime minister, also vowed to “review all options” to deport the "vile criminal".

The amendment to Ms Mahmood’s immigration bill will propose rewriting the 1971 act to permit the removal of serious criminals such as Ahmed.

However, even if an amendment were to pass, two senior Pakistani government officials told The Telegraph that the country would not accept Ahmed back because he renounced his Pakistani citizenship “several decades ago”.

They added that he posed a danger to Pakistani children.

If their claim is correct, it places Ahmed in the same situation as two other freed Pakistani ringleaders of the Rochdale grooming gang whom Pakistan has refused to take back.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/07/02/deport-foreign-born-child-rapists-demand-labour-mps/

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KittyCorncrake · 04/07/2026 05:55

Meanwhile in Pakistan two men who raped a French tourist are given the death penalty. No wonder so many Pakistani rapists choose to come here.

JimBobsWife · 04/07/2026 07:22

I think chemical castration is the obvious answer.

KittyCorncrake · 04/07/2026 08:51

JimBobsWife · 04/07/2026 07:22

I think chemical castration is the obvious answer.

This

sashh · 04/07/2026 09:24

JimBobsWife · 04/07/2026 07:22

I think chemical castration is the obvious answer.

This monster was being paid by other men to rape. Chemical castration would not stop that.

I have an idea though, up and down the country are 'secret bunkers' left over from the cold war.

Why don't we repurpose them as 'home' to these men? They already have water, bunk beds, kitchens etc.

JimBobsWife · 04/07/2026 10:12

sashh · 04/07/2026 09:24

This monster was being paid by other men to rape. Chemical castration would not stop that.

I have an idea though, up and down the country are 'secret bunkers' left over from the cold war.

Why don't we repurpose them as 'home' to these men? They already have water, bunk beds, kitchens etc.

We could do both!

MeetMeOnTheCorner · 04/07/2026 10:24

@Otherlands Why do you base your ire on just a few cases? The sentencing was not subject to review in this case. So who was out of touch and wrong? I don’t remember any outcry at the time. It’s ridiculous to say every sentence is wrong, because they are not. You cannot deport people to countries that won’t accept them. Pakistan isn’t about to be told what to do by us. Pakistan and India have a misogynistic rape culture and don’t convict many. The stats show no improvement with draconian sentences because it’s cultural. If you don’t want to get caught, stay in Pakistan or India.

Imdunfer · 04/07/2026 10:36

MeetMeOnTheCorner · 04/07/2026 10:24

@Otherlands Why do you base your ire on just a few cases? The sentencing was not subject to review in this case. So who was out of touch and wrong? I don’t remember any outcry at the time. It’s ridiculous to say every sentence is wrong, because they are not. You cannot deport people to countries that won’t accept them. Pakistan isn’t about to be told what to do by us. Pakistan and India have a misogynistic rape culture and don’t convict many. The stats show no improvement with draconian sentences because it’s cultural. If you don’t want to get caught, stay in Pakistan or India.

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And if you are going to be a rape victim in those areas make sure you're a tourist because you have far more chance of your perpetrators being brought to justice if tourist revenue are at stake, I suspect.

dwordle · 04/07/2026 11:55

Lock them up for good, we can't ever have such people free. Prisons should not cater for ethnic rights. It's a Christian country and church should be mandatory for all who can't behave like normal citizens. Menu should be vegetarian and exercise, keeping yourself and your prison clean should be mandatory. Daily drills and line ups for inspections inspecting hygiene and cleanliness. These prisons stink of filth and they shouldn't. People should shower once a day and cells should be spotless. Zero tolerance for violence or abuse regardless of the prize for doing it. No drugs and zero tolerance for handling them. Drone mitigation should be in all prisons and those who get caught have no visitation rights.

There should be no gangs, and people should be made to right the wrongs of their past life and accept that they must sacrifice freedom for the wrongs they have done.

Someone who has repeatedly been involved in that type of activity should be physically castrated....not chemically...it should be permanent

Lalgarh · 04/07/2026 12:21

Id be more concerned about his cousins / wider network who would still be supporting him wherever he's been lodged now.

Relatives of the abusers have been known to apply to charities supporting abuse survivors, and there were pockets outside trials claiming it was unfair persecution etc

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/grooming-gang-families-charity-jobs-threatening-victims-gq9crzgkv

Grooming gang families ‘infiltrate charities to threaten survivors’

Relatives and associates of abusers have applied for jobs at organisations offering support to victims, the head of a charity warns

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/grooming-gang-families-charity-jobs-threatening-victims-gq9crzgkv

PeriJealousy · 04/07/2026 12:22

He should have had a whole life sentence. It doesn’t protect children if he’s free anywhere in the world.

KittyCorncrake · 04/07/2026 16:48

dwordle · 04/07/2026 11:55

Lock them up for good, we can't ever have such people free. Prisons should not cater for ethnic rights. It's a Christian country and church should be mandatory for all who can't behave like normal citizens. Menu should be vegetarian and exercise, keeping yourself and your prison clean should be mandatory. Daily drills and line ups for inspections inspecting hygiene and cleanliness. These prisons stink of filth and they shouldn't. People should shower once a day and cells should be spotless. Zero tolerance for violence or abuse regardless of the prize for doing it. No drugs and zero tolerance for handling them. Drone mitigation should be in all prisons and those who get caught have no visitation rights.

There should be no gangs, and people should be made to right the wrongs of their past life and accept that they must sacrifice freedom for the wrongs they have done.

Someone who has repeatedly been involved in that type of activity should be physically castrated....not chemically...it should be permanent

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Well said

5MinuteArgument · 04/07/2026 18:09

JoyousOpalLemur · 03/07/2026 07:24

Many of them have been recorded saying they only target white girls.

Yes, it's incredible that Pakistani officials are saying this rape ringleader cannot be deported to Pakistan because he would be a danger to Pakistani girls. But its perfectly OK for him to be a danger to British girls. No problem with that.

5MinuteArgument · 04/07/2026 18:15

MeetMeOnTheCorner · 04/07/2026 10:24

@Otherlands Why do you base your ire on just a few cases? The sentencing was not subject to review in this case. So who was out of touch and wrong? I don’t remember any outcry at the time. It’s ridiculous to say every sentence is wrong, because they are not. You cannot deport people to countries that won’t accept them. Pakistan isn’t about to be told what to do by us. Pakistan and India have a misogynistic rape culture and don’t convict many. The stats show no improvement with draconian sentences because it’s cultural. If you don’t want to get caught, stay in Pakistan or India.

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Pakistan does get told what to do by us if we applied the levers we already have. Cut the millions in aid that we give them and stop dishing out any more visas until they accept this scumbag back to where he comes from.

5MinuteArgument · 04/07/2026 18:18

KittyCorncrake · 04/07/2026 05:55

Meanwhile in Pakistan two men who raped a French tourist are given the death penalty. No wonder so many Pakistani rapists choose to come here.

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Soft touch Britain. So many people in those countries must be laughing at us.

5MinuteArgument · 04/07/2026 18:23

C8H10N4O2 · 03/07/2026 16:25

British policing, social work, schools and politicians all reinforced the idea that these girls were worthless and unimportant. That was British culture at the time. The police even prosecuted some of the girls for soliciting before sending them back to be abused. Many of the customers were white.

That was normal British culture he grew up with - authorities who ignored what was going on or even participated in it so long as the girls were of a class or category which didn’t matter to those in authority. Social workers and police routinely described the men keeping the girls out of school as “boyfriends”, despite the men being much older and the girls under age.

Mirpuri girls were also victims, whatever the resident naysayers keep repeating. Grooming gangs are part of organised crime - their race/cultural characteristics will be whichever group is organising large scale crime in the area. PP is correct - they are overlooked partly because they are even more fearful of coming forward than the white girls. In Rochdale and some other areas its Muslim men, in other areas its East Europeans, the long established local white crime family, sectarian white groups - the targets are always the more vulnerable girls in the area or trafficked in from other areas.

This man was born in '53, came to the UK in the 60s when he was under age - mid teens roughly according to one of the Beeb reports. He was enabled by successive British authorities. I see no reason why Pakistani women should be subject to him just because he was born there.

It sounds like these men mainly prey on white girls rather than girls of their own ethnicity. They should be deported as soon as they have finished their prison sentences.

Papyrophile · 04/07/2026 19:47

Chemical cosh to suppress any sexual instincts and a tagging order that keeps him confined to a 100m circle of his family home.

PineappleSunrise · 04/07/2026 22:35

5MinuteArgument · 04/07/2026 18:15

Pakistan does get told what to do by us if we applied the levers we already have. Cut the millions in aid that we give them and stop dishing out any more visas until they accept this scumbag back to where he comes from.

Sorry, this is as fanciful as Trump’s handling of Iran.

BoredZelda · 05/07/2026 00:14

Tauranga · 03/07/2026 14:42

Your post says so much about you.

We are not global, we are the UK.

I care about our UK girls.

If he goes to Pakistan and abuses a child then Pakistan can deal with him. He should not be our problem.

Yes, it says I care about violence against women and girls, no matter where they happen to live.

BoredZelda · 05/07/2026 01:23

JoyousOpalLemur · 03/07/2026 13:16

Yes Pakistan is rife with paedophilia, and particularly by family members.

This is very different to Pakistani grooming gangs operating in the UK, who have members who are not related, and target white girls.

Yes the Jay report found there were Asian victims of grooming gangs, but it also concluded the victims were overwhelmingly and disproportionately white.

So you agree, he’s likely to offend wherever he goes. But given you dismiss the Asian victims because there were fewer of them, I don’t suppose that bothers you.

Imdunfer · 05/07/2026 07:40

5MinuteArgument · 04/07/2026 18:09

Yes, it's incredible that Pakistani officials are saying this rape ringleader cannot be deported to Pakistan because he would be a danger to Pakistani girls. But its perfectly OK for him to be a danger to British girls. No problem with that.

They exported a 20 year old with a clean criminal record. Why should they take back a serial rapist of 73?

Imdunfer · 05/07/2026 07:43

5MinuteArgument · 04/07/2026 18:23

It sounds like these men mainly prey on white girls rather than girls of their own ethnicity. They should be deported as soon as they have finished their prison sentences.

They prey on lowest hanging fruit. In Pakistan he can buy little girls from poverty stricken fathers.

5MinuteArgument · 05/07/2026 08:20

Imdunfer · 05/07/2026 07:43

They prey on lowest hanging fruit. In Pakistan he can buy little girls from poverty stricken fathers.

That sounds terrible but it's Pakistan's problem to sort out. The UK's job is to protect its own citizens.

Imdunfer · 05/07/2026 08:27

5MinuteArgument · 05/07/2026 08:20

That sounds terrible but it's Pakistan's problem to sort out. The UK's job is to protect its own citizens.

And it's Pakistan's job to protect theirs. Why should they take back a man who became a monster while living in the UK as a British citizen?

dwordle · 05/07/2026 08:58

It's not so much about sending someone back it's about protecting children. I think we can all remember Garry Glitter, these people prey on children and will do anything to carry on doing it.

They need locking up because in their sick mind they think it's ok to do it. You can't resolve that and the only way to protect children is to lock them up.

dwordle · 05/07/2026 09:14

5MinuteArgument · 04/07/2026 18:09

Yes, it's incredible that Pakistani officials are saying this rape ringleader cannot be deported to Pakistan because he would be a danger to Pakistani girls. But its perfectly OK for him to be a danger to British girls. No problem with that.

Which is why he should stay behind bars, why subject Pakistani girls to rape and murder.

The man is repulsive and every mother and father wants a world where children are free to grow up without having their lives soiled by such horrible people.

I will never support the death penalty or violence and I don't think prisons should be dangerous places. But they certainly should.be places of order and routine with rules. This man would of gone to prison and spent his time protected by gangs....so he's not reformed just festered with vile opinions of girls.

Prisons should be strict and violence free, those that can be reformed should be but people like that are just plain and simple dangerous.

His time on this earth should remain behind bars, subjected to daily 6am wake up calls, exercise, cleaning and gardening. Church on Sundays and no television at all. Reading from books and listening to classical music.

People might think I'm old fashioned but I'm of the opinion that prison in its current form are causing more harm. Lock someone away for a spell in the current regime and often they come out worse. So I'm extremely worried that this man is now free.

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