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Change law to kick out Rochdale rapist, No 10 urged

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Twiglets1 · 03/07/2026 07:10

Reported in The Telegraph that Labour is facing mounting pressure to change immigration laws immediately so that a child rapist freed from jail can be deported.

Shabir Ahmed, 73, was sentenced to more than 20 years in jail after being convicted of 30 child rape offences as part of the Rochdale grooming gang.

But on Thursday, the Pakistan-born rapist was released after serving 14 years.

Britain stripped him of his citizenship, but cannot currently deport him because of protections granted to Commonwealth immigrants such as Ahmed under the Immigration Act 1971.

On Thursday, Downing Street said the Prime Minister had asked Shabana Mahmood, the Home Secretary, to “consider what can be done” to deport Ahmed, describing his case as “particularly heinous”.

It comes after Andy Burnham, expected to succeed Sir Keir Starmer as prime minister, also vowed to “review all options” to deport the "vile criminal".

The amendment to Ms Mahmood’s immigration bill will propose rewriting the 1971 act to permit the removal of serious criminals such as Ahmed.

However, even if an amendment were to pass, two senior Pakistani government officials told The Telegraph that the country would not accept Ahmed back because he renounced his Pakistani citizenship “several decades ago”.

They added that he posed a danger to Pakistani children.

If their claim is correct, it places Ahmed in the same situation as two other freed Pakistani ringleaders of the Rochdale grooming gang whom Pakistan has refused to take back.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/07/02/deport-foreign-born-child-rapists-demand-labour-mps/

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Twiglets1 · 03/07/2026 13:03

Brunchatstephanies · 03/07/2026 12:08

I think remission should work in the opposite direction. The entitlement should be to add 25-33% onto the headline sentence if the prisoner does not “behave” and their automatic remission gets activated ie a 20 year sentence becomes 25 - 27 years for poor behaviour. A sentence a judge gives should be served.

Agree with this in an ideal world. The problem is prisons are already overcrowded. Build more and more prisons? I don’t know.

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ApricotX · 03/07/2026 13:09

SupernaturalAddict · 03/07/2026 09:56

Have the other two men (child rapists) who were released been deported yet? I'm local to Rochdale and unsure if they are still living here. I think they may still be?

I do remember that the ban on PIA flying into the UK was lifted partially because of negotiations to get them deported (PIA had a crash which lead to the discovery that many of their pilots weren't qualified- the airline was banned on landing in the UK on safety grounds).

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/10/24/pakistan-airlines-restarts-flights-ban-fake-pilot-licences/

I think the term "grooming gang" isn't appropriate and they should be called what they are- rapists.

None have been deported. Of the other two, one is still here, the other absconded afaik.
The victims were promised that these men would be deported.

GoneWithTHeWindJammers · 03/07/2026 13:13

Evert day more arrive by dinghy

EasternStandard · 03/07/2026 13:13

Twiglets1 · 03/07/2026 13:03

Agree with this in an ideal world. The problem is prisons are already overcrowded. Build more and more prisons? I don’t know.

True it’s going the other way atm, there’s a thread on early release.

JoyousOpalLemur · 03/07/2026 13:16

BoredZelda · 03/07/2026 12:22

And yet Pakistani girls are still abused in massive numbers. Pakistan ranks third globally for reports of CSA online, behind India and the Philippines. Look up the Kasur case, the Zainab Ansari case and there are plenty of others.

This is a culture that has 18% of girls married before they are 18, that’s over 20 million girls. 5 million of those are married before they are 15, despite it being illegal. Suggesting there aren’t paedophiles in that country is laughable. It has been shown time and time again the death penalty does not act as a deterrent for any crime in any place.

Of course the media reporting will lean heavily into their alleged comments about white girls, that’s the dog whistle. The Jay report was very clear, there were two reasons cases of Asian girls went under the radar, one was that girls were less likely to report to families that it happened, because of the cultural shame, and those who had families who were far less likely to report to the police because of a lack of trust. Nonetheless there were several cases involving women and girls which were reported to the police but which never garnered any media attention.

Would this gang have carried out the abuse in the same manner, using the same tactics in Pakistan? Who knows. Would they still abuse any young girl if they had the chance, no matter what their skin colour? Absolutely. I dare say if they had all live in, say, Nigeria, they would have targeted vulnerable black girls and said the same thing.

Yes Pakistan is rife with paedophilia, and particularly by family members.

This is very different to Pakistani grooming gangs operating in the UK, who have members who are not related, and target white girls.

Yes the Jay report found there were Asian victims of grooming gangs, but it also concluded the victims were overwhelmingly and disproportionately white.

TemperanceWest · 03/07/2026 13:21

GoneWithTHeWindJammers · 03/07/2026 13:13

Evert day more arrive by dinghy

And the vast majority are not rapists.

Orangemintcream · 03/07/2026 13:26

I don’t actually support this option but in some countries these individuals would just be executed. It would certainly resolve this dilemma but would create others eg miscarriage of justice etc.

GoneWithTHeWindJammers · 03/07/2026 13:43

TemperanceWest · 03/07/2026 13:21

And the vast majority are not rapists.

Which ones are and which ones arent?

Imdunfer · 03/07/2026 13:49

KindPinkEagle · 03/07/2026 11:42

He was a taxi driver. There was never any drive to import taxi drivers. Never.

He did fuck-all to contribute to UK industry, care homes or the economy.

He drove taxis which can really be done by any UK citizen or ya' know, people could find an alternative mode of transport if a taxi isn't available.

And he raped English children in that taxi.

Dozens.

His nickname in the child raping ring was 'Daddy'

Are you suggesting I should be grateful that he immigrated to the UK and drove a taxi when he fancied?

That he had multiple children that were at the same time as him, using all the benefits of living in the UK, like free healthcare, education, the Police force and child social services that ignored his raping, the fucking expensive trial that he caused because he wouldn't plead guilty of raping English girls because he didn't believe it was rape..

Because English children are sluts who are just begging to have a dirty, sweaty man several decades older than them force his penis into their vagina, anus or mouth in the back of his taxi or on a mattress in a van, or in a dirty flat while he literally spits on them?

You need to have a word with yourself and have some actual knowledge about what immigration policies were for.

And realise a taxi driver was never in any way contributing even slightly towards what they took out from the UK system. Especially when they had multiple children.

There is nothing easily found online about why he came here but at 20 years old it appears very likely that he was allowed to come in as part of family reunification to join an older relative or relatives who were largely employed in the northern textile mills at the time. The early 70s saw a big influx of people from Pakistan due to changes in immigration law and withdrawal of Pakistan from the Commonwealth in 1972.

The UK invited him to live with us and then failed to integrate him and people like him into British culture and then for fear of being accused of racism allowed him and people like him to continue offending for decades. The scale of the grooming gangs nightmare was a creation of the UK's own making.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 03/07/2026 13:53

Imdunfer · 03/07/2026 13:49

There is nothing easily found online about why he came here but at 20 years old it appears very likely that he was allowed to come in as part of family reunification to join an older relative or relatives who were largely employed in the northern textile mills at the time. The early 70s saw a big influx of people from Pakistan due to changes in immigration law and withdrawal of Pakistan from the Commonwealth in 1972.

The UK invited him to live with us and then failed to integrate him and people like him into British culture and then for fear of being accused of racism allowed him and people like him to continue offending for decades. The scale of the grooming gangs nightmare was a creation of the UK's own making.

How do you integrate people who don’t want to be integrated?

GoneWithTHeWindJammers · 03/07/2026 13:54

How do we integrate them? Teach them to Morris dance?

38thparallel · 03/07/2026 14:00

How do you integrate people who don’t want to be integrated?

I would also like to know the answer to this.

GoneWithTHeWindJammers · 03/07/2026 14:04

38thparallel · 03/07/2026 14:00

How do you integrate people who don’t want to be integrated?

I would also like to know the answer to this.

Making cousin marriage illegal might help

EasternStandard · 03/07/2026 14:09

Imdunfer · 03/07/2026 13:49

There is nothing easily found online about why he came here but at 20 years old it appears very likely that he was allowed to come in as part of family reunification to join an older relative or relatives who were largely employed in the northern textile mills at the time. The early 70s saw a big influx of people from Pakistan due to changes in immigration law and withdrawal of Pakistan from the Commonwealth in 1972.

The UK invited him to live with us and then failed to integrate him and people like him into British culture and then for fear of being accused of racism allowed him and people like him to continue offending for decades. The scale of the grooming gangs nightmare was a creation of the UK's own making.

It looks like the opposite. He had a job as welfare officer at Oldham Council and failure to notify the council of crimes meant he stayed in that role. The system integrated him, rather than notified anyone of his allegations.

EasternStandard · 03/07/2026 14:16

GoneWithTHeWindJammers · 03/07/2026 13:43

Which ones are and which ones arent?

If this can’t be answered what then?

Puppylucky · 03/07/2026 14:17

EasternStandard · 03/07/2026 14:09

It looks like the opposite. He had a job as welfare officer at Oldham Council and failure to notify the council of crimes meant he stayed in that role. The system integrated him, rather than notified anyone of his allegations.

I thought he was a taxi driver?

SupernaturalAddict · 03/07/2026 14:20

ApricotX · 03/07/2026 13:09

None have been deported. Of the other two, one is still here, the other absconded afaik.
The victims were promised that these men would be deported.

Still here as in Rochdale? I wouldn't be surprised if they are both still in the town.

It's awful.

EasternStandard · 03/07/2026 14:21

Puppylucky · 03/07/2026 14:17

I thought he was a taxi driver?

Both Shabir Ahmed worked as a taxi driver in addition to his employment with the local council

callmej · 03/07/2026 14:21

There's also the issue of concurrent sentences. They don't make any sense to me; if a woman is raped, and the rapist is sentenced to ten years punishment, he should serve ten years for that crime. If he also happens to have raped someone else, and gets another ten year sentence, surely that should be served separately? If it's just bundled into the existing ten years, he's not actually being punished at all for the second rape. With concurrent sentences, he could rape dozens of women, and serve no extra time at all; so once he's raped one person, he may as well keep on raping until he's caught as he won't suffer any further punishment. Which seems completely disgusting to me.

This creature should have served separate full terms for each and every crime he committed, and as he reached the end of a sentence and started a new one, he should be reminded of exactly what - and who - this new stretch would be for.

ApricotX · 03/07/2026 14:24

SupernaturalAddict · 03/07/2026 14:20

Still here as in Rochdale? I wouldn't be surprised if they are both still in the town.

It's awful.

One did go back to Rochdale after release. I don't know if he's still there now. The other is believed to be in Pakistan.

SupernaturalAddict · 03/07/2026 14:25

Thank you for the reply.

Tauranga · 03/07/2026 14:42

BoredZelda · 03/07/2026 11:47

In the UK of course they say that’s the case (albeit, it wasn’t only white girls who were abused) But are you suggesting pedophiles returning to Pakistan wouldn’t target Pakistani children? That’s a bold suggestion.

There is also the question of whether girls within that community were being abused but have culturally found it more difficult to report.

Your post says so much about you.

We are not global, we are the UK.

I care about our UK girls.

If he goes to Pakistan and abuses a child then Pakistan can deal with him. He should not be our problem.

Tauranga · 03/07/2026 14:44

TemperanceWest · 03/07/2026 13:21

And the vast majority are not rapists.

How do you know???

BIossomtoes · 03/07/2026 15:44

ApricotX · 03/07/2026 13:09

None have been deported. Of the other two, one is still here, the other absconded afaik.
The victims were promised that these men would be deported.

Who made that promise? Clearly someone who didn’t understand it was impossible.

Imdunfer · 03/07/2026 15:47

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 03/07/2026 13:53

How do you integrate people who don’t want to be integrated?

You do what the Danish do and stop there being large communities of their native culture in which they can live without integrating at all. They have laws against to many people of non Danish culture living in one area.