So who are you rootin' for at Makersfield?

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Just wondering who everyone hopes will win??

I'm hoping for a Burnham win but as long as it's not Kenyon I can live with it.

Yes. And the public who vote reform will with time have further proof they're actually terrible, so hopefully less likely to vote for them in 29.

Yes it's not unlikely. If any Labour voters in Makerfield really value the country - they should vote Reform for that reason. But they won't.

Of course they won’t. I’d rather eat my own liver washed down with bleach than vote Reform, so would my bloke who’s voted Tory all this life.

Well exactly..

Exactly what?

Country is already doomed. Labour are already going a good job of making it worse !

To me the best outcome would be for Burnham to win Makersfield as he seems the best of the candidates who could realistically win there.

But then for Starmer to win the leadership challenge.

This is a local election not a general election, voting reform in this case would be a strategic vote to keep burnham out, it would then make it much less likely reform will win the next general election.

if burnham gets in, we will all be screwed even more than we are now. Think it’s bad now, think you’re skint. You’ve seen nothing compared to what thay man’s going to do.

I genuinely have no idea how Labour attract a single vote. It is so depressing.

I hope Count Binface wipes the floor with them 😂 More ethics than all the rest put together.

Pmsl the posters slagging off Reform in favour of the grooming gang supporting party.

Mandelson affair just a distant memory?

I want Burnham to win, solely so that he can then challenge and defeat Starmer.

My thesis thereafter is that Burnham is such a disaster as PM, we subsequently get an early GE, whereby Labour can be booted into the wilderness - preferably for eternity, but I would settle for my lifetime…

You wouldn't though would you.

Not quite sure why you i'm getting so worked up about the unelected bit. Im 50 I think 7 out of the 11 PMs in my lifetime have been "unelected" at the time they took office. (Callahan, Major. Brown, May, Johnson, Truss, Sunak).

And thanks fuck we didn't have an election every single time. The cost and waste of effort would be ridiculous.

Honestly..Starmer or Burnham...I think it mskes little difference Labouare doomed.

I wouldn’t what? It’s an indication of how likely I’d be to vote for Reform.

Eat your own liver and drink bleach. What a thing to say.

Yes, accept Starmer represents death by a thousand cuts whilst Burnham would hopefully accelerate Labour’s demise.

The PP is a bedfellow with hyperbole.

What do you think Labour has done that is so bad compared to what the Tories did?
I haven't loved them, but compared to the absolute scandal years of the Tories, PPE stolen billions, the parties, Brexit, Truss trashing the economy, small boats, austerity wrecking the NHS and public services, allowing our councils to become bankcrupt, the increasing divide between rich and poor, no house building etc). At least they are bringing waiting lists down, got rid of zero hour contracts, which has been destroying my family, sorted out the train disputes, bringing back trains into public hands (thank fuck)

In my lifetime the Tories put so many things into private ownership that have been since destroyed (water, rail, buses, utilities,) so that all of the profits from these went into the hands of shareholders rather than being used to fix the services. Reform want to do that more.

14 years including Brexit and a Pandemic.
vs
Less than two years.

For starters.

Reform

So what have they done so bad in that time? I mean, it's not much time to fix all the fuck ups, and they have made some massive errors. But nothing on the scale of the tories. Truss managed to destroy the economy in 49 days

Yes he is , with bells on 😵‍💫

If Burnham doesn’t win Starmer could be on the ropes anyway. It would show his leadership can’t beat Reform, which will make his party react.

But Burnham is a surer path to a contest so I’m fine with that.

A lot of what you have listed is lies told by Labour in order to win the election.
This thread isn't about the previous govt, and I don't want to derail, but you should fact check rather than just accept Labour soundbites. Labour are not building more houses to give you one example, and NHS spending continued to rise throughout austerity. I don't believe this Labour govt would have been any better economically through the pandemic, and they have quietly written off a few billion they promised to recover from covid loan fraud.

WFA, employer NI, farmers tax, PS Vat, Chagos, inflation going from 2% to 3.8% within their first year, rising unemployment - particularly for young people, rising welfare spending, scrapping the two child cap, - examples of why Labour became so unpopular in record time. Much of it wasn't in their manifesto either. Then we had the Mandelson stuff.