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If you’re gender critical…

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CurlewKate · 20/05/2026 19:09

…is that the most important point for you when you’re deciding who to vote for? More important than the NHS, the economy, foreign policy? If you’re a Labour voter, would you actively have a Reform government because Reform are gender critical?

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5128gap · 16/06/2026 09:12

No. Its important, but anti racism, wealth inequality and the impact of poverty on our society are equally important.
I think the failure of Labour to make an unequivocal statement in support of sex realism is disappointing. But I see no signs they intend to oppose the progress made by the SCJ, so I think the risk they pose to women's rights is exaggerated.
Certainly nowhere near sufficient to vote for a party who 'know what a woman is' but have regressive sexist attitudes towards us, and a stared intent to introduce policies that will disproportionately hurt us.
If I was a single issue voter on GC, I'd protest vote for the Communist Party before I'd vote Reform.

SwirlyGates · 16/06/2026 11:04

I'd protest vote for the Communist Party before I'd vote Reform

I was tempted, until I looked at their vote share in the previous election. It really would have been no more than a protest vote.

CokeinBottles · 16/06/2026 11:07

Reform aren't GC. They may be sex-realist. To reuse an old trope-

Women do the washing up (Reform)
Everyone does the washing up (GC)
If you do the washing up, you're a woman (trans ideology)

C8H10N4O2 · 16/06/2026 11:39

5128gap · 16/06/2026 09:12

No. Its important, but anti racism, wealth inequality and the impact of poverty on our society are equally important.
I think the failure of Labour to make an unequivocal statement in support of sex realism is disappointing. But I see no signs they intend to oppose the progress made by the SCJ, so I think the risk they pose to women's rights is exaggerated.
Certainly nowhere near sufficient to vote for a party who 'know what a woman is' but have regressive sexist attitudes towards us, and a stared intent to introduce policies that will disproportionately hurt us.
If I was a single issue voter on GC, I'd protest vote for the Communist Party before I'd vote Reform.

Like you if I was a single issue voter I’d vote Communist before Reform. However whilst Labour haven’t officially opposed the SCJ, they are doing bugger all to push implementation whilst NHS trusts, local authorities and other public bodies actively circumvent the ruling. There are still male sex offenders in women’s prisons, women’s hospital wards and the Scottish government has now announced a “domestic” implementation of the judgement. It is overwhelmingly minority and poorer women who suffer the downsides of being “non men”, not the cool girls from white, MC backgrounds (I’m neither BTW).

We are 50% of the population - I feel like since I was a teen member of the Young Socialists back in the dark ages I’ve been told “yes totes important but there are bigger things this time”. I’m still waiting for the time to be right more than four decades later.

socialdilemmawhattodo · 16/06/2026 11:44

Yes i am a single issue voter and this is my issue. Has been for years. Not voting Reform. My Tory MP understands the issue. He's OK im not keen on the party and its values eg bj etc.

Purplecatshopaholic · 16/06/2026 11:46

ThisAmpleCritic · 20/05/2026 19:12

It is something I’d be actively considering when deciding who to vote for, but not the only thing. As always, I’d have to vote for the best of the bad bunch.

Basically this. It’s not top of my list, given what’s going on in the world, but I take it into account. Nothing would induce me to vote Reform.

5128gap · 16/06/2026 12:12

C8H10N4O2 · 16/06/2026 11:39

Like you if I was a single issue voter I’d vote Communist before Reform. However whilst Labour haven’t officially opposed the SCJ, they are doing bugger all to push implementation whilst NHS trusts, local authorities and other public bodies actively circumvent the ruling. There are still male sex offenders in women’s prisons, women’s hospital wards and the Scottish government has now announced a “domestic” implementation of the judgement. It is overwhelmingly minority and poorer women who suffer the downsides of being “non men”, not the cool girls from white, MC backgrounds (I’m neither BTW).

We are 50% of the population - I feel like since I was a teen member of the Young Socialists back in the dark ages I’ve been told “yes totes important but there are bigger things this time”. I’m still waiting for the time to be right more than four decades later.

I know. It hasn't been nearly enough and it's incredibly disappointing. But withdrawing support from Labour at the moment means handing the country to an increasingly further right, and that terrifies me.

C8H10N4O2 · 16/06/2026 15:04

5128gap · 16/06/2026 12:12

I know. It hasn't been nearly enough and it's incredibly disappointing. But withdrawing support from Labour at the moment means handing the country to an increasingly further right, and that terrifies me.

In the council elections the most effective way to get Reform councillors in was to encourage people to vote Green in Labour seats.
In my borough (historically a straight fight between Labour/Tory) the Tories held their seats, it was Labour who lost seats to Reform. In each of the lost seats the Green vote was slightly larger than the gap between Labour and Reform. I’ve canvassed in these areas and know them well - they are generally poorer and diverse areas with a lot of low income self employed/zero hours workers who have historically been rock solid Labour. Exactly the group who had the bum end of both EU freedom of movement as well as the less helpful changes from Khan in London and the worst effects of austerity. They are not looking for more benefits they were looking for more opportunities and work and fairer access to the public housing stock and public services. This group also includes the kind of women who get the bum side of self ID as aggressively rolled out in the public sector.

A good friend who is a Labour councillor in what was a Labour council kept her seat but saw Labour lose control of the council - again Green votes giving Reform key seats leaving the Tories in overall control. The Green canvassers were cheerfully offering all things to all people and avoided the conflicts in their own wild promises, quite content to see seats go Reform if it displaced Labour.

Shifting left is as problematic votes wise as shifting right.

None of which helps me answer my own question - when will Labour decide its time to prioritise women, particularly women in lower economic groups? I think 40+ years is long enough to wait and it is a fact that Labour still has a woman problem internally. Blair and Brown did a lot to try and address it but the culture is still very male coded and very MC public sector - Momentum has a lot to answer for in perpetuating that and the often patronising messages sent out for “doorstep use”. We see it on MN as well - such people must be stupid or obviously they would vote Labour, without really considering the lives of these “stupid” voters.

Meanwhile the Tories have had four women, one British Indian man and one black woman - one of their recent contested leadership elections had eight candidates - every single one of which was either female, a minority or married to a minority with mixed children. It was notable that policy aside Badinoch attracted much more interest than Starmer (on the doorstep) simply because she was coming across as honest and having a view point - even if they didn’t share that viewpoint. Two years in, most are still asking what Starmer stands for - a question I still can’t answer.

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