Are we all looking forward to David Lammy becoming PM?

[ProudAmberTurtle]

There's no way Starmer can survive this latest scandal.

Lord Mandelson failed his security vetting for the US ambassador job, but he still got the post anyway.

Starmer stood up in Parliament last September and insisted "full due process" was followed — three times.

He therefore either misled parliament and has to resign under the Ministerial Code, or his advisors have misled him and parliament, which is likely a criminal matter and suggests a level of almost unbelievable government incompetence or corruption.

What great things are you hoping this country will achieve under PM Lammy?

Which recent government have you been most satisfied with, out of interest?

By the sounds of it the Foreign Office minister has just been thrown to the wolves (BBC news). Very well done too.

I wholeheartedly agree about the Cameron point. Disgraceful behaviour by him.

It amazes me how many people Starmer can throw under a bus to save his skin. Such a weak man.

Same and agree

I can take it!

Being on top of her brief and department, is somewhat fundamental, Rudd wasn't.

If someone sets out NOT to tell you or another minister the results of security vetting, thats hardly your fault is it? esp when you don't even know there was an additional vetting process.....

One has to wonder whether the CS are complicit in trying to bring down Starmer.

However, it all comes down to what Starmer knew or perhaps what he told the FO prior to the vetting.....

I certainly think he isn't as squeaky clean or as honourable as he tries to make out.

However, when dealing with people like Trump etc, thats just as well.

If he misled or deliberately lied (which is looking likely) to the Commons he should go. We can't have one rule for him and one rule for any opposing party. Otherwise Labour supporters will never be able to mention Boris J lies without accusations of hypocrisy. And Labour are never hypocrites as we have seen over the last year or so ....

It wont be Lammy
who will they elect to lead?

better the devil you know

This

Why is it looking likely? do you have insider knowledge?

I assume this will go to the standards committee etc and a judgement made.... i'm not a fan of presumed guilt.

Politicians are all hypocrites, all of 'em, Tice and Farage on taxes, Badenoch pretending she was never in the last Tory Govt.... Starmer claiming for everything he can get....

It's not even that he should go, he HAS to go as misleading parliament is in breach of the ministerial code.

However, the person who enforced that (it applies to all ministers) is the PM.

Some people on here want Starmer to stay because they voted Labour. It's not relevant - if he misled parliament and doesn't resign then he's a dictator.

It won't come to that though - he obviously is going, and very soon.

Probably the coalition in 2010. At least policy got discussed in parliament.

Now is not the time to upset the apple cart. We need stability and a steady hand at the helm. I am pissed off with Keir Starmer (mainly for the business-bashing budget) but I will be even more pissed off if he’s switched out for someone new in the middle of a world-wide crisis.

Love your confidence but i say he will not.

Can you share the evidence that he "knowingly" misled Parliament?

It won’t be Lammy, it will be someone who is seen as a safe pair of hands and none of those likely to become PM

Good points

It seems the best thing for Labour will be for Starmer to stay until the May elections, when they will get the worst kicking in electoral history. Then Starmer can fall on his sword and someone else can come in with a clean slate and try to restore order.

TBF, he probably won't resign because he is not an honourable man. Unlike as it turns out bizarrely, Boris Johnson.

Can we assume that any opposition party gunning for Starmer to resign (i.e....all of them) is working on the basis that a new Labour PM will definitively work in their favour? Do they all think it will make them (the opposition) more electable, or are they just all essentially agents of chaos?

Oh you are funny.

Johnson killed thousands of people during Covid because of his incompetence. He’s far from an honestly man and his sacking from three different jobs for lying is just one bit of proof for you.

I don't think an "Honourable Man" has 8 plus children with 4 or more women.

This what I don't understand, on a personal decision making level for him.

If he ere to go now he may have, maybe, a slim chance of a political comeback later.

After the may elections he'll be burned.

He's only bought himself a couple of weeks today any way. Why not just go?

@ProudAmberTurtle, I am impressed at your absolute confidence that Starmer will go, next week or within a month. I want him to go, but where does your absolute confidence come from?

Starmer has survived scandal and controversy throughout his tenure, the first within days of taking up power “Free gear Keir”, but nothing sticks, he is like Teflon.

But we know why this is; Labour voters naturally want stable government and want their man to succeed.

Despite Labour voters enthusiasm for Angela Rayner to become PM, I will put my head on the block and say with the absolute confidence you, OP, have that Starmer will resign, it ain’t gonna happen.

And in my opinion from the current cohort of Labour MPs, believe it or not, Starmer is the best we are going to get and is therefore untouchable.

I hope you are right!

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