Are we all looking forward to David Lammy becoming PM?

[ProudAmberTurtle]

There's no way Starmer can survive this latest scandal.

Lord Mandelson failed his security vetting for the US ambassador job, but he still got the post anyway.

Starmer stood up in Parliament last September and insisted "full due process" was followed — three times.

He therefore either misled parliament and has to resign under the Ministerial Code, or his advisors have misled him and parliament, which is likely a criminal matter and suggests a level of almost unbelievable government incompetence or corruption.

What great things are you hoping this country will achieve under PM Lammy?

I totally agree with your second paragraph. Totally unbelievable and shows them to be utterly incompetent if true.

Say that then?

Bring it on. I can't stand Starmer. I thought once (long time ago) he was boring but honest. At least Boris wasn't boring.

He either knew he was misleading parliament and was lying, and therefore has to resign, or didn't realise he was lying, and therefore isn't competent to run the country, and will be forced out by his own MPs.

I don't see there being a third option.

For me, now, the only question is whether the Labour MPs will wait til after the local elections to have their vote of no confidence in him. I suspect they want to do that but events will force their hand.

As I've said to you before - while I think he's a poor PM and I despise his party now, I actually quite like Starmer. I don't think it will be good for the country if he's replaced (because the alternatives are all much worse). But that scenario now seems inevitable.

But Starmer is saying he didn’t mislead parliament because he didn’t know Mandleson had not passed vetting.

Very few former PMs have a political comeback, Cameron did i suppose but wasn't even elected.

The best thing KS can do for himself and the UK is stay... at least until they have a successor

I'm fed up with the political merry go round of Ministers & PMs we have had in recent years.... we have enough real problems without making them up.

imho people calling for him to go are doing so for political reasons, not because its best for the UK.

So a colleague at your work doesn't tell you something very important but instead of that being their fault, it becomes YOUR fault.

Good to know you finally admit you have no evidence that he lied to the 'commons.

Apparently Apple autocorrect doesn’t though. Is that all you’ve got?

I'm confident because misleading parliament puts everything in new territory now. Labour ministers are briefing against him and all the opposition parties have now called for him to resign.

It's been an open secret for months that Labour were plotting to oust him after the local elections. And Labour's poll ratings are terrible.

It's telling as well that it was a Labour friendly newspaper that revealed the vetting story. I wouldn't be surprised if Labour MPs were getting nervous about Starmer's increase in 'popularity' due to Iran, and leaked the story just to make sure their plan isn't derailed.

No - he's saying he did mislead parliament but didn't realise he was at the time

That's what I was thinking. I wouldn't be surprised if Starmer somehow manages to squirm out of this again. He absolutely shouldn't, but nothing about the duplicitousnous of this lot shocks me any more.

Mandelson was appointed before vetting was completed. Starmer pushed it through, he didn’t even wait for due process.

That is a lie then, due process wasn’t followed.

It isn't like that at all.

A better analogy would be a CEO of a company announcing that everyone who buys their product will get a free car.

Only to ask his staff later if they actually have any free cars to give away and to be told they don't.

Obviously the buck stops with him and he should have found out if what he was saying was true. And we'll never know what he was actually advised because Morgan McSweeney's phone, which had all the messages on it, mysteriously got stolen. Probably by Louise Haigh.

The procedure is once you know you’ve inadvertently mislead parliament, you go back in and correct what you’ve said.

It happens all the time and is not a sackable offence.

All due process wasn’t followed. Vetting hadn’t even concluded yet when the appointment started.

Plenty of types of people from all walks and demographics do though. Are you saying they are all dishonorable?

Technically, yes, and that's what Boris Johnson tried.

In practice, it won't work.

You can't spend months repeatedly saying one major thing is true and then just turn up to parliament and say 'sorry, the opposite was actually true, I literally had no idea!' without expecting your own MPs to lose confidence in you.

So when KS said that Mandelson had "lied" to the secret services was that a lie? Perhaps Mandelson hadn't lied to the secret services at all and perhaps that was why he didn't pass the vetting. Which Starmer would have known.

He’s said so many lies he’s tripping himself up.

He's rolled out the old line of 'not being aware' etc many times and the British public is tired of the same excuses. Not knowing shows the utter chaos playing out under his (total lack of) leadership and clearly demonstrates why he needs to go.

But he told journalists that he had passed vetting.

Its pretty obvious what his motive was. He appointed him before PM didn't pass vetting and didn't want to he accused of another Uturn .So national security comes second to save KS embarrassment.

I know! But we live in strange times and it may turn out to be true if he lied and doesn't resign! Batshit.

Disagree re the "killing of thousands of people". How would he have done that? He locked down too much if anything

If youl"d said he let in too many low skilled workers which led to the current problem we are having re the Boris wave I'd be more inclined to agree with you.

Eh, David Lammy?
That would be an interesting outcome.
Not sure about the country.