Are we all looking forward to David Lammy becoming PM?

[ProudAmberTurtle]

There's no way Starmer can survive this latest scandal.

Lord Mandelson failed his security vetting for the US ambassador job, but he still got the post anyway.

Starmer stood up in Parliament last September and insisted "full due process" was followed — three times.

He therefore either misled parliament and has to resign under the Ministerial Code, or his advisors have misled him and parliament, which is likely a criminal matter and suggests a level of almost unbelievable government incompetence or corruption.

What great things are you hoping this country will achieve under PM Lammy?

The Conservative in my seat lost in 2024 because 8.5k people who would usually vote stayed at home. The now Labour MP received about 2.5k fewer votes than when Labour lost to the Conservatives in 2019.

Labour did not win. The Conservatives lost. Too many people did not want either party in 2024 so did not vote. This was not a victory Labour could really feel comfortable with.

I am looking forward to a positive platform from someone who will inject some optimism as well as someone who isn’t trying to please everyone. Set out your policies and your vision and bring people with you.

You ve a short memory or are you trying to mislead us all?

Bojo promoted a man accused of sexual assault & was found via investigation to have lied to the commons on numerous occasions.

The Tories mistake was appointing him as PM in the first place, like Mandelson, sacked twice for lying....

If and its a big if, Starmer was never told about the vetting decision, then why should he go? he hasn't deliberately misled the commons.

You don't like Labour & don't care about any damage done to the country with our constant changing PMs

Very heavily invested in seeing this Government fail.

Labour won.
That's how FPTP works. I'm astonished that people on this thread don't understand that, or are living in denial. Either way, it's impossible to have an informed discussion if the basics aren't understood, so I'm off. https://www.parliament.uk/about/how/elections-and-voting/general/

Seems like other than at next week's PMQs it will be yesterday's news fairly soon, given the senior civil servant has left his job.

Election results in Scotland and Wales will probably determine how long Keir Starmer remains as Prime Minister.

As for Boris Johnson, he should be facing criminal charges for 20,000 deaths by neglect and for unlawful suspension of Parliament.

The Tories effectively dismantled Sure start, which was based on proven research that investing in high quality childcare had lifelong payoffs in areas of child poverty and deprivation. This coincided with the rise of social media and everyone becoming glued to their phones.
Now there's an epidemic of children arriving at Reception not toilet trained and with very limited vocabulary....and facing a reception curriculum that de-emphasises play much too soon, again a Tory legacy.

The Labour government is beginning to put in place a sea change around this which could alter children's life chances. They are emphasising the Early Years, emphasising early support and advice, emphasising local and fast access to information and help.

Working in SEND and education in an LA with high levels of deprivation it's the first time I have felt hopeful and positive for a while. It's a good agenda.

I also like the mending if relationships with the EU. I think we can all agree that Brexit has been a fucking disaster. Again a lovely Tory legacy.

Thats the problem. If an election was called tomorrow, theres not one party worth voting for. I think a large number of people are politically homeless as the choices are dire.

I really really like him. Always think he comes across really well. He’s proactive.

I’m well aware of how FPTP works, thank you.
There is a big difference between scraping through and a resounding victory. Seats yes, convincing vote share no.

Unfortunately there's precedent in Amber Rudd resigning as Home Secretary for misleading the house even though it was inadvertent. Starmer will have to go. He can't keep clinging on becuase there's no decent alternative. Unfortunately for the country.

Seems extraordinary he's turned out like this given all the moralising he did when he was in opposition.

You might be but the poster saying “Labour didn’t win, the conservatives lost” clearly didn’t

Its fairly obvious what she meant by that though? People were voting negatively against the Conservatives. Not in any great number though.

Lammy as FS should resign too.
He’s either incompetent or dishonest, same as Starmer

I think you are misunderstanding my point. I completely agree with how the system works, there is no dispute. My point was that many people voted tactically. Many people did not. Both things can be true. If you scale up how many are on this thread and that at least two of them voted tactically, it could indeed be representative, or maybe an anomaly. I agree it isn't an especially big sample size.

I do not think this way in order to diminish the Labour Party. In fact, I voted tactically in order to get them in, however it is because I believed them to be less bad than the Conservative Party. You believe them to be better. Again, both things can be true. I actually still think that Labour are the least worst. Does that mean they are good? Not in my opinion. They have made a greater number of errors than I would have expected / hoped.

My point was that politics seems to have degenerated into sound bites over substance, and that there is a lack of political heavy hitters. Any government needs a strong opposition to keep them on track. We don't have an especially strong government, nor do we have a strong opposition. Starmer is handling international affairs well, but some of the domestic affairs less well. Labour are not publicising their successes anywhere near enough. Also, circumstances have been stacked against them. Would anyone else have done any better? I doubt it. Could it be done better? Definitely.

It never ceases to amaze me how many people seem to think that switching a PM would be a good thing after such a short period. As mentioned earlier in the thread, we need stability and we need accountability. Look at Cameron buggering off after the disaster of the referendum. Making a mess and leaving it to someone else to clear up is a shitty approach.

I like to bookmark posts like this. It's always interesting to look back on how definitively something can be pronounced without actually being true.

Uh? Rudd wasn't PM.... so where is the 'precedent' ?

However, i do agree on Starmer and his constant moralising pre GE.... turned out to be nothing but hypocrisy....

...i'm not his biggest fan, i thought he should have stepped down around a year ago, however, resigning now, with all thats going on in the World would be a huge mistake.

I'd volunteer but I'm busy on Tuesdays.

No need to flounce off. You're not the only one who understands the electoral system. You've just missed the point being made.

This. Starmer has been a big disappointment but I don't think now is the time.

Precedent as in a minister resigned. Remember a PM is a minister and only the first among equals.

Unfortunately we can't use "events" to keep a PM in place. There will always be "events". We aren't at war ourselves for example.

Not shocking at all - Mumsnet is typically quite good for a debate and it’s healthy to listen to other opinions. The issue is that you can’t seem to tell the difference between a rant and a debate, and your repetitive threads within days of each other all have the same purpose.

This.

Just imagine how many minor/moderate/major decisions the PM makes, both in the years leading up to his election and thereafter.

I don’t believe anyone can come to the table with completely clean hands, not due to lying necessarily but so much of what they do relies on the integrity of others and the quality of information they’re given plus hindsight etc

Let’s keep a PM for more than 10 minutes, I have zero appetite for another bloody leadership race

Just hide the threads you don’t want to read. Others can post on them.

No, I'm looking forward to being rid of this mind-bogglingly incompetent government.

Its up to the Labour party to keep or get rid of Starmer, not you or i.

First among equals? right!!

Going back to Rudd, she was the 4th Con minister to resign inside 6 months, she gave the select committee false information, albeit not deliberately but stuff as HS she should have known about, it was her department after all.

Don't see the precedent at all.

The last Minister to resign for things genuinely not his fault & unprompted was Lord Carrington.

I just mentioned Rudd because you were arguing why should he go as he " hasn't deliberately misled the Commons." (Although looking at the details coming out I'm not sure it wasn't deliberate.). Amber Rudd resigned even though it was shown that her misleading the Commons was definitely inadvertent.

Perhaps she was more honorable than Starmer is.

"First among equals" was how I was taught the position of a PM was vis a vis the Cabinet.