Is Matt Goodwin correct about this?

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Is professor Matthew Goodwin right that that middle-class leftists are so angry at Brexit, because it is the first time they have lost a major thing and it infuriates then to see the working class get one over on them?

May I suggest that you are still living in the last century or at least applying last century criteria.

Remember...Labour define train drivers on £80,000 a year as "working class" these days.

The last century was 26 years ago, the last 20 years of it saw one of the biggest shifts in social mobility of all time.

People are angry about Brexit because precisely nobody living a normal life has benefitted from it. The people who voted for it in droves are suffering because of it and will continue to do so.

It was an act of national self harm.

Because class isn’t defined by income. Sigh.

Does Goodwin mention anywhere the criteria he uses to measure social class?
Does he reference his sources?
Or the fact that nearly 40% of Labour voters voting Leave and 40% of Conservative voters voted Remain?

If we could look at that we could critique the facts rather than our wide ranging interpretations.

Does he have anything to say about the mood amongst the 33% (ish) of working class people voted Remain? Or the 45% of people who voted Leave?

How did he measure to what extent the working class did 'get one over on them' (middle class left voters)?

Did he take into account the fact that most of the people who instigated and drove through Brexit were hardly working class?

Is he saying that working class leftists aren't angry at Brexit because they are used to losing major things and accept it as their lot?

Does he have anything to say on the impact of Brexit on the quality of life in the UK for anyone of any class?

It's hard to discuss the veracity of anything he says on a sound bite.

Yep.

Knocked 8% off GDP and made the country poorer.

Miners used to earn very good salaries compared to many middle class workers.

As a working class woman with WC friends and family the only people I know who championed brexit was my millionaire landlord or people who don’t have a job nor have they ever. Not WC, the poorly educated Underclasses. So a huge difference in those who believed that brexit would benefit them. I suppose the same thing applies to both parties though, at the time they were angered by polish workers, now they’re vocal about the boats. The common denominator seems to be they don’t want anyone who isn’t British born to reside in Britain.

Ok...give us a bit more information rather than sighing away unhelpfully. What does your job have to physically be for it to be defined (in your view) as working class? If its not income related.

Just going along with the parallel discussion this thread seems to be having, how do you define yourself as "working class"? What job do you do.

But it is defined by your job?

even though it’s common for people to have many different jobs in their working life?

I was recently told you can’t be working class if you’re a homeowner.

despite home ownership being common in the uk and the fact that it was deregulated and cheaper credit that made working class baby boomers home owners from the 70s.

It’s laid out in the social class definition which has been widely used for decades. You can easily google it. The classes are A,B,C1,C2 and D.

That’s socio economic grouping.

class is a bigger and more complex topic than that

Shes just referring to the ridiculous new criteria Labour have dreamt up where you can earn vast sums but be working class compared to others who earn half the wage but are still apparently middle class. Its completely arbitrary and shows Labour havent got a clue about working people's lives. Clearly.

These are the jobs that make you working class so if you're not on the list you're not in the gang.

Receptionists Shop assistants
Electricians Farmworkers
Plumbers Housekeepers
Butchers Cleaners
Van drivers Porters
Mechanics Waiters
Train drivers Refuse collectors
Printers Bricklayers

Which one of those are "working class". Because that's different from Labour's definition.

No it isn’t. It has nothing to do with economics. Hence manual workers on higher incomes fitting into a lower social class than white collar workers who earn less.

I mean, I knew the answer would be no before I even read the OP, but really? Have you been asleep for the last 10 years? Nobody has benefited from Brexit. People who voted remain are angry that the leave voters fell for stupid lies and as a result, everyone’s lives are harder.

Like farmers?

ABC1 etc is socio economic grouping. It is a marketing tool for companies to better target their products/ portfolio.

as ever, the real disruptor of the class system is capitalism

It was created via sociological research and became a marketing tool. There is no economic aspect to it.

I think we can safely ignore that henceforth. Labour have wrecked any concept of working class by distorting the benefits of work.

Labour have wrecked any concept of working class by distorting the benefits of work.

How have they done this @Pineneedlesincarpet ?

By making being on benefits more lucrative than work.

By taxing people who do work so heavily that people are working less so as to avoid the higher punitive tax rates.

By discouraging working to pass on assets to family after death.

By wrecking family farms succession.

By incentivising people on benefits by giving them huge discounts to entertainments which many working people cannot afford (today's report in the Telegraph).

By increasing ENI which means it is too expensive for many business owners to grow their business and employ more than 4 people including themselves.

We can of course see the real world effects of this by the employment figures particularly those for young people where Labour's taxes have badly affected the hospitality industry.

By incentivising people on benefits by giving them huge discounts to entertainments which many working people cannot afford (today's report in the Telegraph).

I can't access the Telegraph online, can you describe the article in a bit more detail ? What entertainments are they discounting ?