Is Matt Goodwin correct about this?

[molanasulfi]

Is professor Matthew Goodwin right that that middle-class leftists are so angry at Brexit, because it is the first time they have lost a major thing and it infuriates then to see the working class get one over on them?

I’m the original poster you quoted first. If you think Labour is left wing then that’s your opinion I guess! I am left wing and I don’t see much in today’s Labour party that aligns with left wing politics. More recently It was made very clear where the door was for the left (Keir used that wording as I recall) You can call the Labour Party left wing if you like but the actual left - anyone with social democratic leanings tbh I’m not talking all out communism - is not going to recognise themselves in that description.

It is probably true to say that every election in modern British history has been won by the establishment - with the exception of Brexit.

It's probably not accurate to say the establishment has always been left wing though - in the 1980s for example it was, if anything, right wing, and certainly not as bothered about issues like identity politics like it is today.

If Labour isn't left wing then what is it? It's not centrist with Rachel Reeves's policies on tax and benefits.

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Its current incarnation is most definitely not left wing, hence the disappointment of those of us who are.

He's not correct.

This is more a reflection of the attitude of some working class people who voted for Brexit as a way of sticking it to the elites, and will cling to it as a victory no matter what the negative consequences for themselves.

I don't think many middle class remainers are aware they think that way. They blame Brexit on crude nationalism or on a delusion of 'taking back control', ironically a lie missold by the elite.

Just to add, I picked up on this on books by working class political writers like Darren McGarvey and Lisa McKenzie. Both celebrated Brexit as a victory over 'elites', but neither gave much space to it at all. I got the impression they hadn't analysed it, and really didn't care how it could affect them. It was as though from their point of view things couldn't get any worse, so why not spread the suffering to other social classes.

However since both “Matthew” and “Goodwin” are common names and the Reform candidate of the same name was not labelled “Professor” in any of the interviews I had (and his quality of comments would not lead me to expect it).

But obviously no reason why the left should have the monopoly on sulky idiots with academic titles.

Obviously no.

And today’s one post rage bait thread is….

I absolutely think this and have thought it since the immediate aftermath of Brexit. I used to be on the left, and so were all my friends. All my born- into-the middle class leftie friends who used to be so into community activism for working class people, and 'co-production' with communities and listening to the voices of communities and 'bottom up' partnership working, suddenly all these lefties were talking about' 'stupid ignorant people who should never have been allowed to vote' ' and ' I wouldn't listen to my daughter ( aged 5) who was making a bad decision so we should not listen to these people either'.

So yeah, when they could patronise working class people with their 'noble poor people' narratives, and they thought poor people could only make choices which affected said poor people only, they were fine with ' the voice of working class people' being enabled. But once working class people could make choices which affected middle class people in ways they did not like! Oh no, that was intolerable!

Sorry, middle class lefties but that's democracy. Your vote carries no more weight that a poor person's.

And I say that as someone who voted Remain. I just wasn't a wanker about it when the vote didn't go my way.

Everyone lost, OP, the working class more than most.

That’s not fair - they also started this thread

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/politics/5506805-why-do-remainers-support-being-in-the-eu-when-brits-are-not-compatible-with-europeans?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=app_share

In fact they started the threads 20 minutes apart - I guess trying to work out which thread would get the most takers.

No, this ‘middle class leftist’ is pissed off as she has a sufficient level of education to foresee the economic shitshow it was likely to become.

Nothing to do with winning or losing.

@molanasulfi I saw your earlier bonkers thread about European blood or whatever it

Did Matt Goodwin even say this? Because you seem to start from some very strange premises. Do you have a link to him saying this?

No. The “middle class” are generally not the ones policy is made for and generally complain they get nothing from the government anyway. If there is any berating of the “working class” for voting for Brexit, it’s that they voted for something entirely against their interests, are complaining that things have gone to shit for them, and it’s also impacting on the middle class because their taxes are also going up as their wages are going down and the only people benefitting from any of it are the rich fuckers who juts keep taking more and more.

I’d be entirely on board with my life getting worse because of Brexit, if the people who voted for it, who are not as well off as I am, were seeing a whole heap of benefit from it. I’d concede that although I didn’t want it (mainly because I knew others would suffer more), that the lives of those on low wages were infinitely better and they had more opportunities and therefore it hasn’t been a complete disaster. Instead I’m watching them suffer more and the rest of us are also dragged down.

I haven’t heard a single person seriously suggest uneducated people shouldn’t be allowed to vote.

She was supported by the true working class or trade unionists and miners not the phoney working class who are actually middle class who pretend to be Labour or Lib Dem yet went to Oxbridge and grammar or private schools and live in the Home Counties.

Yes, this surprises me that posters are so careless.

All it takes is for someone to forward this to Matt Goodwin-maybe through social media- and, if they are of a mind- it will be the work of five minutes to discover who this poster is.

They probably won't bother but the chance is there, however slim and for a poster to risk being sued -being asked to prove their remarks and proof will mean proof-not just saying that you heard or saw it someplace else.-is dumbfoundingly stupid.

I meant to post the poster who quotes the post I have quoted and who says that the laws of libel still exist in this country.

Is Matthew Goodwin ever right about anything?

Answer - No.

HTH...

Who was?

Who was?

Can you not be labour if you went to Oxbridge then, or live in the home counties? Quite funny really - there was an interesting correlation between levels of education and how people voted regarding Brexit.

Think she’s talking about Thatcher