How can people vote Green?

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The Greens are no longer the ecology party. They have been taken over by people who want to leave NATO, legalise drugs and don’t recognise women. I understand the attraction of a far left party but surely the original Greens don’t agree with all this.
Plus they expel people for refusing to recognise some members as fairies?
https://labourheartlands.com/the-green-partys-war-on-reality/

Regarding the conviction rate for rape it is shockingly low at around 2 to 3% of reported cases. Now I think its far to say that in the remaining 97% of remaining reported cases that there will be a significant number of rapists that have literally got away with their crime.

The biggest cause of this low conviction rate is the court backlogs which mean victims wait for years, causing distress and leading to victims dropping their cases.

The best way to prevent this (and other crimes for that matter) is to invest in clearing Court backlogs. You cannot have a functioning society where criminals (including rapists) feel that they can get away with their crimes.

We're not going round in circles on my first point - it's absolutely the case that their policies on women's sex based rights are the same.

So, to be clear, you think it would be appalling, inappropriate and completely unacceptable if a woman was not able to ask for a female to examine her or counsel her? And can I infer from that you think a man with a GRC that says he's a woman is still male, and as such the woman who has been raped should be able to refuse an examination by him?

Another question, also out of curiosity - which estate do you think rapists belong in?

Wow full of questions.....

i'll try my best... of course, one can wish to be called a female name, dress as a woman etc but they are still male, thats just a fact of biology & the female rape victim can and should be able to refuse, a GRC can hide this.

On prisons, i think trans people should be housed separately, there would be the danger of extreme violence towards a trans woman in a male prison & vice versa though of course, a genuine trans woman isn't going to be raping a female.

Next Question.....

BTW the issues with Trans people occurred and continue to occur under the traditional parties.

Yes it was on the SNP manifesto earlier, but it was a lower priority for them than the Greens. I dont claim the Greens are the only party with awful policies in this area, only that they are the one most likely to implement them across the UK if they form some part of a UK govt after 2029.

A GRC can hide this - do you mean that the certificate can hide the face that he's male? If so, that would be horrific wouldn't it. Surely no party political party or rape crisis service would advocate for that - would it?

A genuine transwoman would not be raping? So how do you tell if a man is a genuine transwoman - is therea test? Because of course there are transwomen who have committed rape and sexual assault (at a much higher rate than the rest of the male prison estate) who are currently serving sentences in the female estate. Again, surely no political party would advocate for that?

And yes, they have happened under other parties - but Polanski is very clear that he doesn't think these parties have progressed the rights of men nearly enough and that women have too many sex based rights. Listen to what he's telling you.

@Alexandra2001
BTW the issues with Trans people occurred and continue to occur under the traditional parties.
This is true, but some parties are ideological aligned with trans activism and some arent.

I actually think the Tories did quite well here. Over the last decade, large numbers of western nations fully embraced gender ideology and legislated accordingly. The Tories didnt get as swept up and mostly ignored the issue, probably in part because the height of gender woo coincided with the implementation of Brexit which preoccupied them.

Well of course it can, but who expanded the use of GRC's? who reduced the cost to just £5?

Wasn't the Greens...

@Underthinker see above, the Tories pushed the Trans agenda for many years.
They have given us the situation we now find ourselves in.

They under funded DV refuges, didn't fund the NHS, collapsed the prison and justice systems.. as @1dayatatime correctly has identified.

Anyway, enough of this going around in circles, i'll see what each parties Manifesto says, not what a leader of the Greens says when he isn't even an MP.

Its misleading to say the Tories pushed it. Theresa May made small moves in that direction, but far less than comparable countries. And when the gender critical arguments finally broke through into the mainstream, the Tories seemed to adopt them more than other parties did. They both commissioned the Cass review and blocked Scottish Self ID.

No of course it wasn't the Greens - they weren't in power! However, when Polanski says he thinks Labour and the Tories haven't gone nearly far enough in terms of men's rights then he's setting out exactly what we can expect if they got into power - and it looks horrific for women.

Yep. We’re at least not as far as comparable countries. Thanks to some politicians and women including many on here.

Polanski would easily overturn all that work.

But you have to understand that the Greens are effectively an Islamo leftist party. The Green label and concern for the environment is now just window dressing for respectability.

Having a policy that effectively promotes men's rights over women but at the same time gains support from the pro trans voters is a win win for them.

Why do you say that @LocalHobo

I agree on the contradictory and opposed.
A bit like the “Queers for Palestine “
What are they even thinking.

What part of Islamo leftism is Reform.

The 3 women murdered each week (in a Domestic situation) whilst the traditional parties sit on their hands might beg to differ....

The main parties have defunded the Police, defunded the NHS, slashed funding for DV refuges.
Failed to even criminalise Misogyny.

Yet many seem to think that they alone have the solutions for Womens Rights.

The right to life is surely the most important right of all.

And I repeat, much more can and should be done to protect women. I don't disagree with you on that and haven't on this tread. However, you seem to be doing a lot of whataboutery here, rather than acknowledging the Green's very public and very vocal stance on pushing to remove women's rights, including in those areas you mentioned - which includes the access to safe and single sex spaces which keeps them safe from men. Polanski is telling you very clearly what he plans to do here.

The best solution to prevent rapes and domestic violence imo is to prosecute and put behind bars those men that commit these crimes. This serves two purposes: a) if they are behind bars then they can't commit any further offences and b) it sends a strong message to any other man who potentially might commit such an offence.

With only 3% of reported rapes resulting in a conviction this is clearly not happening. And the biggest reason for women dropping their cases is the time it takes to come to court due to a massive backlog of all legal cases.

So my solution is clear the backlog, which in turn should increase the successful prosecution rate. This then removes these dangerous men from society and sends a strong message to other would be offenders.

When you say "what are they even thinking?"
From a Green Party perspective it's clever tactics because it gets votes from both sides in the Islamo leftist alliance.
From a voter perspective, each side seemingly gets what they want (even though they are conflicting) and when if (very big if) the Greens were in power then only one side would get their way.

This is an interesting article that demonstrates this point:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/17/hamtramck-michigan-muslim-council-lgbtq-pride-flags-banned

The worrying thing is that it's always the Islamist side that comes out on top, which means that the Hard Left end up giving a helping hand to the Hard Right.

You cannot be serious.
Its not a silly comment that you would rather your child have a glass of cider than a crack pipe or heroin.
I would say that would score extremely high in the wishes of all parents.

No i have not, my view is this and i ve made v clear to you: Until the Greens publish their manifesto, i will reserve judgement.

However, we have years of Tory and Labour Govt's and they have just made the situation worse, so why on earth would i trust them when they say "We will fix this" esp from Badenoch.
Labour still have some time to prove me wrong.

Yes totally agree and we have decades of evidence that neither the Tories or Labour are doing this.

Even if some don't agree that Prison works, what it does do is remove a male from being able to kill or rape.

This is all very silly. We all know what the Green Party’s policies on trans rights are. The Greens don’t hide them.

The Tories and Labour don’t have perfect records on rejecting the lunacy of trans rights but they have been and are generally closer to common sense and the law as it stands. Particularly the Tories.

I’m not sure where the Libs are now on trans. But I doubt they’re sure either.

Oh so you ve read their 2029 manifesto... interesting.

Tories protecting female rights? so running down prisons, courts, DV Refuges is protecting female rights, no single sex wards.... ?

They don't need to publish their manifesto - Polanski is on record (many times) saying exactly what the Greens think of the current situation re men in women's space and how they will continue to push for that. Their views on the SC judgement are clear, and they continue to sau that Labour and tge Tories haven't done nearly enough to promote the rights of men to be in women's spaces. They aren't hiding them, and so as things currently stand the question is - why would anyone who values the rights of women even entertain this party. They have shown us all exactly what they think. Reframe your trauma bloke is even standing as one of them.