How can people vote Green?

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The Greens are no longer the ecology party. They have been taken over by people who want to leave NATO, legalise drugs and don’t recognise women. I understand the attraction of a far left party but surely the original Greens don’t agree with all this.
Plus they expel people for refusing to recognise some members as fairies?
https://labourheartlands.com/the-green-partys-war-on-reality/

It's not just about going to the toilet (and women flee to the toilets to escape a man), it's about change rooms and rape crisis centres and battered womens shelters. It's about the very essence of the right of rape survivors (an other women) to have safety, privacy and dignity in order to participate in life. What could possibly be more important than that?

Female only spaces and safeguarding IS based on worst case scenario. That's the entire point! The overwhelming majority of us are left wing feminists. It's right wing to not care about the erasure of all our foremother feminists fought for.

No, you are the one that is talking nonsense.

We know that many girls stay home when in their period because they don't have a safe and private place to change their sanitary pads as boys in the next cubicle laugh at the sound of plastic tearing and in some cases kick over the sanitary bins on the floor. It's also led to an increase in home schooling.

Others on here have said their daughter holds on all day and is busting when they get home, a couple of times having an accident.

This is impacting girls getting an education. It's obvious that you have absolutely no idea what is going on or how serious this is. If you bothered to educate yourself you would see this is a critical issue.

PS women have said they restrict fluids during the day at work so they don't have to use the unisex toilets, risking a UTI. People die from UTIs, my father died from Sepsis from a UTI. It's very serious.

It's about male vs female. Males in female spaces. Males are 50% of the population. Not a 'tiny minority'. You don't get to remove 1% of males, re-badge them as 'trans', and think any, any male at all, should be in women and girls changing rooms or spaces.

You don't seem to understand that those men who rape and batter women now have free rein to enter spaces where those same vulnerable women are!

Rishi Sunak can order single sex wards all he likes, but he didn't provide the funding for buildings, the staff, the IT, the scanners, the car parking.... all BS.

We've had some very serious attacks on women in recent years, rape murder, did these happen in a former single sex space? or were they done by "heterosexual" men, determined to attack regardless?

Statistically, the male who most endangers a woman is the man they are in a relationship with.

Yet Sunak and other Tories, slashed funding for DV refuges, meaning 50% of women who sought help, were denied assistance, Labour have not increased funding either...

However... this is the Greens policy on DV refuges....

• Sustainable Funding: The Greens advocate for reversing cuts to domestic abuse services and providing stable, long-term funding for refuges to meet rising demand.
• "No Victim Turned Away" Strategy: Policies aim to ensure specialised, safe accommodation is immediately available, with the Greens calling for a mandatory, properly funded network of refuges.

Yep it’s pretty easy to see. Polanski has been upfront about this in his reaction to the Supreme Court ruling.

All the politicians have said what they think on this, it’s not hidden.

As far as i can see, the Greens policy on this is very much in conflict with the membership.... so like most things, pragmatism will doubtless override.

Like i said, their manifesto isn't written yet.

Badenoch was in Govt for 5 years, she did nothing, nothing at all to enable female only spaces, in fact the opposite.

Like with Iran, she says what she thinks is popular, she has no principals, if she thought the public supported trans women in female sport, she 'd back that too.

Sometimes gets it completely wrong

The Blair government decreed no mixed sex wards. I can remember the constant rearrangement of beds my colleagues had to do 20 years ago to make it happen.

Anyway most voters fortunately don’t base their decision on a single issue and the trans issue doesn’t make the top ten in polls on voting priorities.

@BIossomtoes you keep referring to it as simply something to do with trans people - it's not. It's a women's rights issue.

We've had some very serious attacks on women in recent years, rape murder, did these happen in a former single sex space? or were they done by "heterosexual" men, determined to attack regardless?
60°% of the trans prison population is made up of ' heterosexual men' who decided to sexually assault/ rape women before realising that even though they hate women they actually were women.

So you keep saying. It’s whitewash.

Thankfully FWS knew this and we have the Supreme Court ruling.

People chipping away at that constantly, men and supporters. Hopefully the Greens won’t manage to overturn it all.

Provide links to robust evidence of this happening in the UK. Some stranger on the internet saying this is not evidence. I have been in many educational establishment and there are single sex spaces for young girls to use the bathroom.

Unfortunately it's not - even though you might really wish it was.

Proportion of female candidates by party (UK general election 2024)

• Labour Party: 47%
• Green Party: 44%
• Scottish National Party: 39%
• Conservative Party: 34%
• Liberal Democrats: 28%
• Plaid Cymru: 28%
• Reform UK: 16%

Just putting this out there...

I thought we agreed to disagree.

We are. The Green's (appalling ) stance on protecting women's rights are very clear however.

You may be interested in this https://womansplaceuk.org/mixed-sex-toilets/

Rishi Sunak can order single sex wards all he likes, but he didn't provide the funding for buildings, the staff, the IT, the scanners, the car parking

You need all that just to make cordon off a section of beds single sex?

We've had some very serious attacks on women in recent years, rape murder, did these happen in a former single sex space? or were they done by "heterosexual" men, determined to attack regardless?

Several of them would have. This isn't about sexual orientation. Trans males are heterosexual too. And we don't throw up our hands and say 'well they'll attack you anyway' and remove all safeguards.

Statistically, the male who most endangers a woman is the man they are in a relationship with.

Because of EASE OF ACCESS. You don't make it easier for men to access women.

*However... this is the Greens policy on DV refuges....

• Sustainable Funding: The Greens advocate for reversing cuts to domestic abuse services and providing stable, long-term funding for refuges to meet rising demand.
• "No Victim Turned Away" Strategy: Policies aim to ensure specialised, safe accommodation is immediately available, with the Greens calling for a mandatory, properly funded network of refuges.

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None of that helps if women self exclude and can't go because males are there. It's empty rhetoric because women cannot use it!

If they get in govt and with the certainty of 5 years, you honestly think they're going to give a fuck what the membership thinks? Labour certainly doesn't on this! Why do you think the Greens who are far, far, far more militant in their pro-trans stance, will care what their membership wants once they've got their hand on the power levers? You're really naive.

Women and men during the suffragette era did make it a single issue voting issue.

And the 'trans issue' (womens rights issue) isn't even presented as an option in most polls so how would we know?

Of course they won’t care. They’re not meant to, once they get mandate from voters then they’ll push ahead. No party checks with the membership after that.

It's sad that you don't believe women and girls testimony. It's like #MeToo never even happened. Even sadder you think women and girls need to justify our rights to safety, privacy and dignity away from males. But here you go. (am betting now you will move the goalposts further and have something wrong with the sources)

https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/protests-erupt-at-british-schools-unisex-toilets-DWzSkc_2/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/28/essex-schoolgirls-sexually-assaulted-gender-neutral-toilets/

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-essex-66052546

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/12/20/unisex-loos-allowed-boy-film-schoolgirls-secretly-mother/?msockid=3ca5b478a0716aac0127a100a1776b24
(archive version - https://archive.md/BTgjN )

https://news.stv.tv/north/teenage-boy-charged-after-camera-found-in-girls-toilet-at-dundee-school

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14722787/Girls-forced-share-loos-boys-despite-schools-facing-94-complaints.html

How could suffragette women make it a single voting issue? They hadn’t got a vote.

The trans issue would be in the top ten if enough people mentioned it. You do know how polls work?