How can people vote Green?

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The Greens are no longer the ecology party. They have been taken over by people who want to leave NATO, legalise drugs and don’t recognise women. I understand the attraction of a far left party but surely the original Greens don’t agree with all this.
Plus they expel people for refusing to recognise some members as fairies?
https://labourheartlands.com/the-green-partys-war-on-reality/

I’m not interested and haven’t researched the Greens view on this. While I agree it’s important it’s not the most important issue to me at the moment. I simply don’t care enough about where people go to the toilet.

It's not simply where people go to the toilet though, is it - it's a complete roll back of the fundamental rights of women and girls.

Yes it’s regressive and they will roll back those fundamental rights. Which will be bad to see after all that work from women making changes.

It's largely nonsense in my opinion presupposing worst‑case scenarios without robust evidence. In fact I would argue that gender‑critical groups have attracted support from far‑right or anti‑gender movements that undermine feminist.

As I said it's not the most important issue for me in elections - it's not even in my top 5.

Can you say more about how you think the Greens well publicised views and actions protect the rights of women and girls?

Not sure who this is aimed at, but as I've said it's not a top 5 issue for me. I think many are not responding to you, as you're starting to sounds like you're fixated on one issue, that to many isn't that important and it gets a bit tiresome. While I appreciate this may be the most important issue for you - but for many it is not and you need to accept that.

Women's rights very obviously not an issue for people who vote for the Green party - they have shown nothing but contempt for women and girls, and have made it very clear that they will continue to press ahead with protecting the rights of men over everything. This impacts so much of society and it's important to remember this women's rights don't sit apart from health, education, sports, the economy, justice or any other aspect of society. This cannot be simply waved away, and in turn, you need to accept that.

But as I said I think you're talking nonsense and you need to accept that...

@SirChenjins here is a reminder of what I said in case you missed it

It's largely nonsense in my opinion presupposing worst‑case scenarios without robust evidence. In fact I would argue that gender‑critical groups have attracted support from far‑right or anti‑gender movements that undermine feminist.

Oh no, I didn't miss it - you've made it very clear that you don't place any value on protecting the rights or women and girls across all aspects of society. That aligns with the very vocal stance of the Greens.

Interesting interpretation of what I've written. Carry on like a little warrior on the keyboard writing nonsense trying to make things fit your narrative. This is another reason why people will vote Green....as you make people who are gender critical look irrational and silly by behaving like this.

Interesting take on the (non)importance of protecting women's rights - but very much in keeping with the Greens.

Well if I'm in keeping with the Greens that's fine with me - I'd much rather be in keeping with them on so many issues than Reform or the Conservatives...

Frankly I don't care what some stranger on the internet thinks. This is getting tiresome @SirChenjins I will bow out now.

No, i explained up thread what i think on this, a: Polanski isn't an MP, b: they don't have a current manifesto (GE 3.5 years away) and that the Greens will not win the next GE, at most they will be in coalition.

I mentioned Reform because they do have a chance of winning and at least could be in a coalition, so the EA could go... its things like this that turn people away from the traditional parties.

You appear to completely disregard the failure of the two main parties to protect women from death and rape or even a court trail, you just want more of the same.
Your concern seems to be on separate spaces... (never mentioned the murder rate of women in a DV context)

But you now what, i couldn't give a 4X if there is a man dressed as woman, is having piss next to me.... many public loos in Europe are not single sex, with a urinal next to a closed toilet for men and women.

But i do care that my DD is safe from attack/murder/rape or physical harm at work in our district hospital (the man who punched her in the face, wasn't even charged) and atm that is clearly not the case and no one is doing SFA about it.

I absolutely agree that much more needs to be done to protect the safety of women and girls @Alexandra2001 and I am so sorry your daughter went through that - it's horrific.

However, I have lived through a Green power shared Govt and I've seen their policies in action. They do not protect women - in fact, they hold them in utter contempt. Separate spaces protect women and girls - they cannot and should not be dismissed as irrelevant or unimportant.

Oh, and it's 3 main parties here.

As a second wave feminist women’s rights have always been and always will be important for me. When I was young there was no equal pay, no maternity rights, no right to financial independence - no mortgages, no credit without a man’s signature. It was still legal for a man to rape his wife and the police couldn’t be arsed to turn up if he beat the shit out of her. During my life time women’s rights have been on an upward trajectory but if the right in the form of Farage et al get a whiff of power the clock will be turned back. It’s far more important to me to stop that happening than to worry about the tiny percentage of the population who are trans.

I'm well aware of the progress that's been made @BIossomtoes - but the rights of the small percentage of trans (ie men) have been taking priority over the rights of women and girls and if this continues it sets us back years. The link I posed upthread to Sex Matters is very clear what the Greens mean for females.

Farage is certainly not going to do anything to improve or protect these rights - and neither are the Greens. Both parties couldn't have been clearer about that.

How does it “set us back years”? Is all the legislation that gave us equal rights going to be repealed? Are the police going to be instructed to ignore domestic violence and the financial industry told to make women second class citizens? Will marital rape be legalised?

Thankyou and she is not the only one, its a daily occurrence and very little is done, its treated as an occupational hazard, see petrol garage staff (will be mostly women) abused by members of the public, we've become quite a nasty nation.

As you say all parties do very little or nothing and this is why people are increasingly turning to other parties.

I disagree, i lived in Sweden, same sex spaces are everywhere, i never felt threatened like i have done in the UK, why are men over here like it?
Women actually shouldn't need protecting from men, how about men start acting like normal human beings, instead of twats.

Back to the thread, I really looked forward to a Labour Govt, however, they have, by most measures been a disappointment, not as bad as the Cons but not doing what i expected either.

For the Greens/LDs the 2 alternatives, i will wait and see what makes their manifesto's, i will also see if Labour can start acting on their promises.....

@BIossomtoes Will the police ignore threats against women who don't believe men should be their spaces? Will rapists be housed in the female estate with vulnerable women? Will women be forced to share changing rooms with men as a requirement of their work contract? Will women lose their places on positions of influence to men? Will women lose their livelihood for stating that sex is immutable? Will women who are raped be told to reframe their trauma or not have the roght to be seen by a woman post rape, and tgen see that very man standing as a Green candidate? I mean, I could go on but I'm sure you get the picture.

I certainly get the picture. You still haven’t convinced me so we’ll have to agree to differ.

@Alexandra2001 I agree with what you say - although let's be honest, the members of the public who behave this way are overwhelmingly male. I'm so disappointed by Labour's stance on women's rights too - but by all the gods, this pales in comparison to the Greens stance on protecting our rights. Reframe your trauma, women? Get to absolute fuck.

I'm not trying to convince you - I'm simply setting out exactly what has happened and continues to happen when the rights of women are trampled on in the rush to push forward the rights of men.

Rishi Sunak ordered that hospitals should have female only wards before he left office.
Kemi is VERY pro female only spaces.

What we do know is that the Greens not only won't remove males from female spaces, they have a deliberate policy of removing all female only spaces. The Tories do not have that deliberate policy.

It was far worse than that. He sat in rape counselling and even counselled himself (despite having absolutely no training or skills in counselling whatsoever, only Marketing) and asked rape victims if they ORGASMED during the rape!