How can people vote Green?

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The Greens are no longer the ecology party. They have been taken over by people who want to leave NATO, legalise drugs and don’t recognise women. I understand the attraction of a far left party but surely the original Greens don’t agree with all this.
Plus they expel people for refusing to recognise some members as fairies?
https://labourheartlands.com/the-green-partys-war-on-reality/

Sadly for the majority on this thread the Greens are doing very well and a lot of people agree with their policies. I left Labour to join the Greens in the autumn. Zack Polanski is one of those once in a generation politician like Blair and I’m looking forward to seeing what he can do with a strong voice in a coalition govt. He 100pc gets what needs to be fixed and his approach to doing so is genuinely refreshing . He gives me proper hope.

You're right - Sorry that number I quoted is wrong.

The true figure for people in work who do not pay income tax (because they earn less than £12,750) is 35%.

Thanks for pointing it out.

I can see the appeal of a simple message. And equally how easy it is to identify what needs to be fixed (affordable housing, slow economic growth, low productivity, creaking infrastructure , healthcare etc etc).

The tricky part is coming up with realistic and economically viable solutions. On that with £160 billion of unfunded policies the Greens are simply not credible. Lovely message though - just won't work in the real world.

Well, cutting taxes to boost economic growth is the "Trickle down" approach, that they have tried and failed over many years and terms in Govt.

Spending cuts actually lower growth, what business wants to invest if their workforce can't get decent schools, healthcare, a transport system able to get goods around the country on time and without smashing up their vehicles?

Reform, as you say, are just more of the same.

BTW UK had one of the lowest Corp Tax rates in the OECD, it made zero difference to growth, business doesn't just invest on a transient tax rate, changed on a whim, we also tax workers at a lower rate too.

Both parties still ignore the massive defence spend increases we need.

Labour, atm cannot get growth over and above what the Tories got, now is that because 19months is far too soon to see real change (Given what they inherited) or is it that what they are doing cannot work?

Labour have also failed to deliver on key manifesto promises, Energy, Dentistry, Roads, Teacher Numbers, NHS lists.... AE delays.... however on some these, 19months isn't long enough.

Trumps ridiculously mad war, isn't going to help, we'll be paying for this long after the next GE in 2029.

Greens promise change, a break from the past, yes some of their policies might seem madcap but the electorate have tried the alternatives and, for many, these have all failed.

@Alexandra2001
Greens promise change, a break from the past, yes some of their policies might seem madcap but the electorate have Greens promise change, a break from the past, yes some of their policies might seem madcap but the electorate have tried the alternatives and, for many, these have all failed.

I am no economist. I can't say for certain whether Green plans of wealth taxes etc will work or not. But if they were the answer, why do they have to be bundled in with all the insanity about men being women? (Not just here but with most left leaning parties). A ressonable conclusion could be that their grasp of economics is as delusional as their grasp of biology?

I find that incredible too - any chance of a link to the stats? By which I mean a verified source.

We are a long way from the next GE, Green policy will evolve, plus any chance of Govt will be in the form of a coalition, also, Polanski isn't even an MP.

On men being women, it should be remembered it was the Tories who put in legislation to support that, who funded many more GRC clinics, who cut the fees to just £5, who did nothing about Men in female sport...

It was a right leaning party that slashed prison places, that had women wait 4 or 5 years for justice after being raped, that failed to give us single sex wards, the choice of a Doctor... even the chance of a safer birth.

Yet you want more of the same!

The GRA was a Labour creation. That legislation underpins what we’re seeing now.

As for the Greens each party reacted to the Supreme Court ruling, what did Polanski say?

The last lot of Tories may have done that, but Kemi is quite clear that men aren't women. Equally, Polanski is very clear that men are women and supports self-ID, and so the rights of women under his watch will be massively rolled back as a result. https://sex-matters.org/posts/updates/green-manifesto/

Yes Kemi is clear on it. The troubling part is the SC ruling can be overruled by politicians so the Greens could overturn all the excellent work by FWS and other women.

Exactly - and given their very clear message about what they think of the SC ruling, I have no doubt this will be on their priority list.

Yep in many ways the economic stuff might not be viable so this social change is easy to do and marks a change. I really hope we don’t land there after all the work from women.

I agree. The tax on billionaires might make a great headline, but it's unrealistic and unsustainable. Pushing back on women's rights (and let's be very clear, they have been very vocal about their intentions on this) would be perfectly within their gift if they were in Govt. We've seen it in action up here, and Polanski et al have shown no signs of deviating from that.

I agree. If they were a minor party in a coalition I've no doubt the first thing on their negotiation list would be removal of single sex exemptions under the EA and self ID. Many in Labour would happily wave that through. They could then blame the economic stuff on Labour because it's completely unrealistic and economic suicide but they can say 'We wanted to do it but couldn't'.

Yep

The true figure for people in work who do not pay income tax (because they earn less than £12,750) is 35%

@1dayatatime 's assertion is not quite right.

The actual facts are that among those aged 16-64 around 34.91% of the population do not pay income tax.

So that includes students, people who have retired early, people on benefits, stay at home parents etc. as well as those who might be in low paying jobs.

pa.media/blogs/fact-check/fact-check-the-proportion-of-adults-paying-income-tax-has-risen-since-2014/

Agree.

Meanwhile, north of the border, the party who really, really care about the environment have Mridul Wadhwa standing as one of their candidates. You may remember that he was the former CE of Rape Crisis Scotland who said about women who don't want to seen by a man or face men in the centre after being raped or sexually assaulted that "bigoted survivors of rape and sexual violence should work to “reframe their trauma” adding: “You also have to rethink your relationship with prejudice"”, does not hold a GRC, had lied about his sex to get a job previously, and headed an organisation who was found to have constructively discriminated a woman who said that women attending the service had the right to know the sex of the person they were being counselled by.

His views on environmental issues are less clear - but we know exactly what he and the Greens think about women.

As thats aimed at me.....

The Tories did everything they could to make trans easier and kinder, May introduced a consultation on self ID, Johnson funded more GRC clinics and reduced the fee to £5.

With 96% of applicants granted a GRC, the other 4% failing on admin errors, so Self ID by default.

The Tories did nothing to protect female only spaces.

If the GRA was so terrible.... they had 14 years to revoke, amend etc.

Reform have committed to abolishing the EA, so removing all the rights women have in the work place and elsewhere.

Including the right not to be victimised if an employee complains.....

So the likely outcome of a Reform/Con coalition, will be that important piece of protection will go.

Yes we’d be told to reframe our trauma and the rest here with the Greens and anyone who folds to a minority ask.

Why are you bringing Reform into this - this thread is about the Greens.

What do you think about the Green's stance on women's rights?

As we see with most - if not all - governments, what is 'promised' before an election, and what is actually done after winning, are very different things - see the Labour party for ongoing daily examples of this. It's just telling lies based on what they think will attract votes. The Green Party seem absolutely bonkers to me, and I am amazed that anyone supports them nowadays, as they are so far away from their more admirable origins.

Thank you. That makes much more sense.

Why shouldn’t they it’s a thread asking why people vote Green one of the biggest reasons is because of the policies and ideas of the others like Reform and the Cons etc.

I don’t know anyone who agrees with everything a political party’s says or does - most people look for the closest fit and some matters are more important than others.

Which would be reasonable were it not for the fact that the issue of the Green's stance on women's rights are being repeatedly ignored with a neat bit of whataboutery.

So maybe you will answer my question in light of the many posts setting out the Green's stance on self-ID, their views on the SC ruling, their rejection of GC views and their continuing claim that Labour and the Tories have set trans rights right back - while not once mentioning how they will shore up women's rights.