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Importance of Gorton and Denton

233 replies

Acommonreader · 01/02/2026 10:48

I don’t want to get into the candidates or parties here! Please can someone tell me why huge attention is being given to this by election ?
I know that it’s been Labour for a long time but it seems to be publicised as hugely important to all concerned. Is it just a potential indication of future voting or something else?
I have been looking for information but it’s all about the candidates rather than the wider significance of the results beyond the victor. I’m genuinely just try to understand the wider picture. Thanks

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1dayatatime · 27/02/2026 00:06

Thought I would get it in before the results are announced (so that I can't be accused of bias) - there are serious reports from the election monitors "Democracy Volunteers " of concerning high levels of family voting offences occurring in 15 out of the 22 polling stations observed.

So be ready for whichever party comes in a close second to raise questions on the legitimacy of the election and its result.

SerendipityJane · 27/02/2026 10:19

BlueJuniper94 · 25/02/2026 18:50

Well, it might not be true. But what it tells us is...

You are Stewart Lee and I Claim My Five Pounds.

SerendipityJane · 27/02/2026 10:22

1dayatatime · 27/02/2026 00:06

Thought I would get it in before the results are announced (so that I can't be accused of bias) - there are serious reports from the election monitors "Democracy Volunteers " of concerning high levels of family voting offences occurring in 15 out of the 22 polling stations observed.

So be ready for whichever party comes in a close second to raise questions on the legitimacy of the election and its result.

The value of a vote was illustrate when the thousands of people unlawfully denied one in the 2019 EU elections got fuck all in restitution

Citizen: I was unlawfully prevented from casting my vote.
System: That's terrible, here's what a vote is worth: £0. Now fuck off.

pointythings · 27/02/2026 10:36

1dayatatime · 27/02/2026 00:06

Thought I would get it in before the results are announced (so that I can't be accused of bias) - there are serious reports from the election monitors "Democracy Volunteers " of concerning high levels of family voting offences occurring in 15 out of the 22 polling stations observed.

So be ready for whichever party comes in a close second to raise questions on the legitimacy of the election and its result.

Fortunately it wasn't in any way close.

1dayatatime · 27/02/2026 11:03

pointythings · 27/02/2026 10:36

Fortunately it wasn't in any way close.

True - it wasn't close and as such it won't have affected the results.

That said I was quite interested to see that in response to the incidents of "family voting" observed by Democracy Volunteers, Manchester City Council said that they should have reported it to the local polling station staff.

Democracy Volunteers respond with "we did do that and reported to polling station staff.".

Manchester City Council responds with "well we never received any reports from our polling station staff of family voting ".

So who is either lying or failing to pass on allegations of family voting and what is their motive.

Incidentally Democracy Volunteers is a respected international organisation monitoring elections around the world.

deeahgwitch · 27/02/2026 15:18

patooties · 01/02/2026 16:40

I think Labour will win it (I am local and engaged in this sphere) I think Labour will come through the middle.
the candidates selected are a gift to the the Labour Party.

You called it incorrectly @patooties

patooties · 28/02/2026 10:44

I know I did- the data we had was saying one thing. So either people lied or the data was flawed.
I am really sad about it - and genuinely surprised at the margin.

i hope the people of Gorton and Denton are very happy with their choice.
I also hope the rest of the population see what the greens are - lol. Enjoy !

Marmalademorning · 28/02/2026 10:58

Acommonreader · 01/02/2026 10:48

I don’t want to get into the candidates or parties here! Please can someone tell me why huge attention is being given to this by election ?
I know that it’s been Labour for a long time but it seems to be publicised as hugely important to all concerned. Is it just a potential indication of future voting or something else?
I have been looking for information but it’s all about the candidates rather than the wider significance of the results beyond the victor. I’m genuinely just try to understand the wider picture. Thanks

It isn’t the big thing that certain voices on the left are making it out to be and Gorton and Denton is not an area of significant focus for reform.

I’m amazed that Matt Goodwin did so well actually considering the voter demographic and it gives me hope that the Greens won’t do as well in other areas. They come across as harmless. But they are not the same Green Party that they used to be. They are an extreme hard left party and life in the UK would be utterly miserable for the average working family if they ever got in.

I do wonder if the people who say they will vote for them have actually read any of their policies or if they are just voting Green for tactical reasons.

SerendipityJane · 28/02/2026 11:33

I do wonder if the people who say they will vote for them have actually read any of their policies or if they are just voting Green for tactical reasons.

Or possibly have read the policies and decided that it's better not to let perfection be the enemy of progress ?

Bearing in mind the vast majority of voters just tick the box with their clubs logo in it (and make a proud point of the fact).

BurntBroccoli · 28/02/2026 11:37

Marmalademorning · 28/02/2026 10:58

It isn’t the big thing that certain voices on the left are making it out to be and Gorton and Denton is not an area of significant focus for reform.

I’m amazed that Matt Goodwin did so well actually considering the voter demographic and it gives me hope that the Greens won’t do as well in other areas. They come across as harmless. But they are not the same Green Party that they used to be. They are an extreme hard left party and life in the UK would be utterly miserable for the average working family if they ever got in.

I do wonder if the people who say they will vote for them have actually read any of their policies or if they are just voting Green for tactical reasons.

On the contrary - the Green Party policies would improve the lives of working people starting with higher pay and much stronger working rights. Minimum wage would be raised to £15 an hour for all ages, zero-hours contracts would end and workers would be given full employment rights including sick pay and holiday pay, from day one.

The Greens also back getting rid of anti-union laws and introducing a four-day working week without loss of pay which would improve work-life balance and reduce stress for many. Productivity actually increases and there is I independent research in this area proving this.

https://theabp.org.uk/what-the-evidence-tells-us-about-the-four-day-working-week/

They also propose increasing Universal Credit and other benefits, scrapping the two-child benefit cap and bedroom tax, and moving toward a Universal Basic Income in the longer term. These measures would provide a stronger safety net, reduce poverty, and give workers more financial security during periods of unemployment, illness or retraining.

For housing and energy costs, the Greens support large-scale investment in social housing and would give councils stronger rent controls to make housing more affordable. It also proposes a nationwide home insulation and solar installation programme to cut energy bills, which would particularly benefit low (and also middle-income households) while also reducing carbon emissions.

They want major public investment into renewable energy, public transport and green infrastructure to create secure, skilled, long term jobs across the country. Plus expanded training and education funding so workers can access new opportunities created by the transition to a low-carbon economy.

To fund these policies, the Greens propose wealth tax reforms and aligning capital gains tax with income tax rates. They also would like to see the development of a Land Value Tax which would be a fairer system than the current Council Tax where someone in Yorkshire is paying more for a 2 bedroomed terrace than a mansion in London.

Their overall goal is to reduce inequality while improving wages, job security, public services and living standards for working people across the UK.

What the Evidence Tells Us About The Four-Day Working Week

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The Association for Business Psychology (ABP) has taken an important step in aligning its internal practices with its mission: from December this year, our

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cricketnut77 · 28/02/2026 12:22

Wealth taxes have been tried in many countries. They fail everywhere as the rich just move elsewhere and the burden falls on the middle earners.

Britain is taxed up to it's eyeballs, is on the brink of bankruptcy and the productive sector of the country is either moving abroad or retiring. Due to net zero bollox our few remaining heavy industries are either closing or relocating.

A green party in government would be the death knell of this country.

Marmalademorning · 28/02/2026 12:33

BurntBroccoli · 28/02/2026 11:37

On the contrary - the Green Party policies would improve the lives of working people starting with higher pay and much stronger working rights. Minimum wage would be raised to £15 an hour for all ages, zero-hours contracts would end and workers would be given full employment rights including sick pay and holiday pay, from day one.

The Greens also back getting rid of anti-union laws and introducing a four-day working week without loss of pay which would improve work-life balance and reduce stress for many. Productivity actually increases and there is I independent research in this area proving this.

https://theabp.org.uk/what-the-evidence-tells-us-about-the-four-day-working-week/

They also propose increasing Universal Credit and other benefits, scrapping the two-child benefit cap and bedroom tax, and moving toward a Universal Basic Income in the longer term. These measures would provide a stronger safety net, reduce poverty, and give workers more financial security during periods of unemployment, illness or retraining.

For housing and energy costs, the Greens support large-scale investment in social housing and would give councils stronger rent controls to make housing more affordable. It also proposes a nationwide home insulation and solar installation programme to cut energy bills, which would particularly benefit low (and also middle-income households) while also reducing carbon emissions.

They want major public investment into renewable energy, public transport and green infrastructure to create secure, skilled, long term jobs across the country. Plus expanded training and education funding so workers can access new opportunities created by the transition to a low-carbon economy.

To fund these policies, the Greens propose wealth tax reforms and aligning capital gains tax with income tax rates. They also would like to see the development of a Land Value Tax which would be a fairer system than the current Council Tax where someone in Yorkshire is paying more for a 2 bedroomed terrace than a mansion in London.

Their overall goal is to reduce inequality while improving wages, job security, public services and living standards for working people across the UK.

Nice snip of info regurgitated from AI there. But I won't be voting for a party that will lead to me having pay massively higher taxes, increase my council tax, cease fossil fuel production making cost of living go up massively.

They will probably abolish inheritance tax as well as part of their great redistribution agenda, so what ever money comes from the sale of my house upon my death would be taken by the state leaving nothing for my children, along with anything else I manage to save (and no I’m not rich by the way).

They’ve also stated they have a long term, ambition for there to be no borders and want to get rid of our nuclear deterrent. 1. Where are all the houses going to come from? I guess the massive tax increases they would impose on households would make daily life unaffordable leaving them with no option to sell up and move into a shoe box instead. 2. How would we keep people safe and stop country’s like Russia from invading us if we had open borders and got rid of the nuclear deterrent.

And dont get me started on their reparations proposal. Why should my children and generations to come pay higher taxes to fund reparations for a slave trade they played absolutely no part in? Payments to people who weren’t even alive during the slave trade?

So no, you haven’t convinced me to vote ‘Green’. They are nothing more than a protest party and will fuel sectarianism and make life a lot harder for the vast majority of British people. Thankfully I think a lot of people feel the same way as I do.

1dayatatime · 28/02/2026 14:21

cricketnut77 · 28/02/2026 12:22

Wealth taxes have been tried in many countries. They fail everywhere as the rich just move elsewhere and the burden falls on the middle earners.

Britain is taxed up to it's eyeballs, is on the brink of bankruptcy and the productive sector of the country is either moving abroad or retiring. Due to net zero bollox our few remaining heavy industries are either closing or relocating.

A green party in government would be the death knell of this country.

But if you are not currently paying any tax then voting Green gets you a load of free stuff paid for by other people?

cricketnut77 · 28/02/2026 16:16

1dayatatime · 28/02/2026 14:21

But if you are not currently paying any tax then voting Green gets you a load of free stuff paid for by other people?

Possibly, until until the bond market pull up the drawbridge and says no more to the govt. Which could be sooner than you think

SerendipityJane · 28/02/2026 16:24

cricketnut77 · 28/02/2026 16:16

Possibly, until until the bond market pull up the drawbridge and says no more to the govt. Which could be sooner than you think

Like they did to Liz Truss ? The Blob and all that.

cricketnut77 · 28/02/2026 16:29

Not really, Truss was undone by the Treasury, the Bank of England and her own mp's who wanted her out. The bond market or global credit market is where the government gets its credit from.

SerendipityJane · 28/02/2026 16:33

cricketnut77 · 28/02/2026 16:29

Not really, Truss was undone by the Treasury, the Bank of England and her own mp's who wanted her out. The bond market or global credit market is where the government gets its credit from.

My (and Gemini's 😎) memory is the bond market really started asking for a lot more interest from gilts and the BoE was starting to respond

cricketnut77 · 28/02/2026 16:49

Strange they want more interest now and there's not a peep from the media.

1dayatatime · 28/02/2026 17:12

cricketnut77 · 28/02/2026 16:16

Possibly, until until the bond market pull up the drawbridge and says no more to the govt. Which could be sooner than you think

Absolutely as shown in Greece.

SerendipityJane · 28/02/2026 17:44

cricketnut77 · 28/02/2026 16:49

Strange they want more interest now and there's not a peep from the media.

Well with the IMF due in next week to take possession of the Crown Jewels and keys, maybe they are trying to prevent panic ?

pointythings · 28/02/2026 18:13

SerendipityJane · 28/02/2026 17:44

Well with the IMF due in next week to take possession of the Crown Jewels and keys, maybe they are trying to prevent panic ?

I didn't know they were coming, perhaps I should bake?

SerendipityJane · 28/02/2026 18:15

pointythings · 28/02/2026 18:13

I didn't know they were coming, perhaps I should bake?

I guess you'll need hundreds and thousands ?

pointythings · 28/02/2026 18:49

I was thinking more those silver and gold sugar balls that taste like nothing.

BIossomtoes · 28/02/2026 19:05

The ones that break your teeth?

pointythings · 28/02/2026 19:19

BIossomtoes · 28/02/2026 19:05

The ones that break your teeth?

Yup. About as engaging and tasty as the endless scaremongering about how we are just like Greece because of our far left government. I've stopped rolling my eyes at those posters for fear they will fall right out of my head.