What would this Labour government have to do to change your mind about them?

[StrongLikeMamma]

If you are considering voting for someone else, or not voting at all?

I always find it surprising that so many Brits are anti digital IDs, or any IDs for that matter.

It's not as if we don't share our info - and it's laughable really as in this country there is more CCTV and face recognition than in almost any country! - and it would certainly cut benefits fraud and keep track of people (so harder to operate in a black economy as an illegal immigrant) and ensuring everyone pays taxes.

How on earth all these barbers, nail bars etc get away with always asking for cash I'll never know, but there is a black economy that is not taxed.

Yes, agree with all of this. Also:

Remove 'anxiety' as a reason for claiming disability and/or PIP or whatever the benefits are called.

Introduce proper IDs so that people can't so easily 'slip through the net' (and for those opposed to digital IDs, did you know that the UK is already Big Brother - more CCTV and facial recognition programmes than in most countries).

Proper IDs would mean it's easier to (a) catch benefits fraudsters, (b) ensure everyone pays tax (individuals and businesses - there is a huge black economy in the UK) and (c) would mean it's easier for employers to ensure they are employing only those who are here legally.

Increase income tax for ALL - the tax burden for average earners is one of the lowest here; we can't expect a Western European-style funded public service and welfare system whilst wanting US's low taxes!

Introduce a small charge (with a 'ceiling' for those who have chronic illnesses, are elderly or undergoing treatment for e.g. cancer) when you use the NHS - would stop misuse.

Increase unemployment benefits so that people aren't 'tempted' to seek for disability payments in order to survive (and once you're on benefits it's difficult to wean off them).

Reform of the triple lock pension (it's not sustainable) and public sector pensions.

Reform state pension so that people who have only ever worked max 16 hours (or whatever the minimum hours needed is) can get full state pension.

I don’t think there’s anything this Government could do to change my opinion about them, but to give Labour a chance of even existing in 10 years they need to come clean about their policies and their rhetoric. From the Chagos Islands, the education taxes, the 96 billion spread across 2 ‘black holes’, the energy policy (particularly North Sea oil) , immigration, the custodial sentences for tweets, ID, cancelled mayor elections, the blasphemy laws, the new employment legislation, the new land lord legislation, the eye watering tax increases to the property taxes….. if they just admitted all these are all ideological driven, be honest why they think it’s worth making each one of us poorer to implement this ideology and just stop with the endless lieing and gaslighting then at least they can regain some respect. The bare faced lieing really really really winds me up,

Take threes issue:

Pensioner’s winter fuel
Junior doctors pay
Interitance tax for farming businesses.

All 3 have been the subject of a great deal of publicity and anger.

Which one do we think the Labour Party felt was important to backtrack on?

You guessed wrong. The “labour “ party chose farming inheritance tax.

They are just Tories in different clothes.

They already u-turned on winter fuel ages ago for all but the very richest. They can't really backtrack on doctors pay - you can't take away salary increases. The farmers u-turn was always going to happen. It was a stupid policy.

Jesus - I actually despair at some of these posts.

They need to massively reign in welfare spending. If they don't, it will just become unaffordable and then where will we be.

I have never known a government listen more. We have had so many rounds of consultation on SEND. We need action. The trouble is, it will be very unpopular.

It's very much " if the Labour party became right wing I would vote for them"....

Agree, lets start with SENDs provision, Free childcare (after all, don't have kids if you cannot afford to care for them) and get rid of triple lock, a pensions freeze would be good, say for 5 years.

Or is it that we just want to cut the Welfare budgets on things we don't claim?

They are so bad, I almost wish the tories were still in power. Almost! Labour just seem to love taking an increasing amount of people's earnings off them and giving it away.

It’s unaffordable now.

Stop pandering to Israel

Agree! But sadly not going to happen.

People talk about welfare being unaffordable but the fact is not having welfare is actually more expensive. The costs further down the line are more. Boris Johnson spoke about this but like everything these days. Politics has gone from being a consensus to one faction against the other....there is no sensible debate.

There is no easy life on welfare, don't believe what you read in the Mail. We do need people to be working that is true but if you look at the figures a lot of people on welfare are actually at work.

If it was as simple as stopping welfare and it somehow solves it, it would have been done.

There’s nothing they can do now as far as I’m concerned. They have lied and lied and totally fucked the country over. I will never vote for them again and bitterly regret that I voted for their lies at the last election. Lesson learned.

In defence of Labour and also the previous Conservative Government there is a real limit on what elected Governments can do to change policies.

The development of and even the implementation of any policy through the civil service will mean that it is watered down or given numerous exceptions and special cases so that it makes no difference. Then you have back bench rebellions that further water it down.

This is illustrated so clearly with the programme Yes Minister; and loads of people who have worked in government say how true that programme is.
"Minister, is this really the right way to go about this?
"But, Minister, there are endless legal difficulties."
"But, Minister, there are endless technical difficulties."
"But, Minister, is this really the time to go about this, with the election coming up?"

Need to tax corporations more… not the average worker!!

How? Given they’ve been in 18months and prior to that the Tories had 14 years - with the enabling of the LibDems (never forget that)

I’m sure they’d pick up an extra vote or two if Starmer did something about his terrible haircut.

Did anyone read the speech that Sharon Graham made 2 days ago?
She is very scathing about Labour policy in general. She makes the point that replacing Keir with "Angela, Ed or Wes will change nothing".
She wants a huge increase in borrowing and more spending on Defence, we are a leading country and her union Unite has many members there.
At first reading it is a good speech but I am not sure how she would like the details to be worked through.

Perhaps Left Wing policies always fail and cause the population to stop supporting them a few to change the way they vote and we get a less Socialist Government. Usually it is personal and consumer Taxation that breaks us down.

I’m not sure she has enough sway to get this to happen, even with withdrawing a major funder. Dale Vince is also a tbc on more money after being annoyed by them. It could get harder if both go as backers.