What will life be like under Reform?

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I have accepted the likelihood of the next government being Reform. I don’t think the government after that will necessarily be Reform. But in the 4 Reform years, what do people think life will be like for the different groups in our country? Will we see very immediate changes?

@FirstCuppa why do you think so many of them are up in arms about digital id !There is a massive crackdown on everything related to self employment and small business at the moment - as someone in that position it isn’t great, it’s constant anxiety - but I do see why they are doing it

Yup - as someone who got that as an excuse for not paying maintenance, I'm thrilled. I hope it shakes everything up so people who can pay more actually do, rather than squeezing more out of those at the bottom. I'm very hopeful it will lead to a lot of good things and systems working together to be more efficient.

Please take time to watch the YouTube I linked. Some councils are disturbingly badly run.

Like when I was accused of 'scaremongering' that Brexit would significantly make us poorer as a country. Ermmm

The question is who will it be after Reform? Do we go back to the Tories?

Most are ignoring the law!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/07/17/spending-watchdog-refuses-sign-off-public-sector-accounts/

“Council failures blamed as watchdog refuses to sign off government accounts
Only 4pc of 407 cash-strapped local authorities submitted audited data”

Britain’s spending watchdog has refused to sign off the Government’s accounts for the second year in a row, blaming local councils for submitting poor-quality data on their finances.
Late and inadequate filing by English councils has been blamed by the National Audit Office (NAO) for leaving it unable to vet government accounts for 2023 to 2024.
Only 4pc of the 407 cash-strapped local councils submitted audited data to the watchdog. Meanwhile, 55pc shared figures based on unaudited accounts and 41pc sent no data at all.

Or that there would be little significant overseas investment from multinationals that creates decent jobs - or the absolute bullshit if cheaper food of any quality or ‘red tape’ would be cut - I’ve got a business that exports within EU , the red tape is insane - the list is endless -

Who would have thought they would leave the detail negotiation to bloody Boris!

A disaster.

There will be some radical policies pretty much straight away but it’ll go wrong as everything is MUCH MORE COMPLICATED than they ever could have imagined (and can’t just be fixed with black-and-white decision making).

If all the immigrants are kicked out, the NHS and a lot of other things will collapse.

There will be a lot of in-fighting.

The Reformers though, like the Brexiteers, won’t see a problem and will steadfastly insist they made the ‘right’ choice.

There is a big overlap of the people that voted in that twat who will vote for the even worse Farage. Its so sad how blind people are.

I’m so bored of this argument and how weak it is - he is a product of generational wealth, he went to Dulwich College, he’s successful at grifting and savvy at tax. That’s why he is rich. Does his experience on ‘I’m a Celebrity’ also mean he’s good with the public and facing challenges? He’s good at media, polished public speaking and tapping into exploiting public grievances so he can profit from them. He’s an unserious politician, a lazy public servant and a self-serving charlatan: quite literally, everything in his professional political career (and I use that term loosely) tells us that.

We know Farage was a huge fan of the disastrous Truss/Kwarteng budget, so that’s a fitting comparison; the issue is that the Tories were able to ship Truss out very quickly - the whole country would be stuck with Farage and his bunch for 5 years, so yes it can get a lot worse.

I hope so, it would be great to have some grown ups in charge again.

@Sherbs12 beautifully put . Same with Johnson, does knowing plenty of Latin, using the word ‘folks ‘a lot and having no issue about lavishly spending other people’s cash to benefit your supporters and mates make you a suitable PM , just because people find you amusing and personable - no it doesn’t - I’m no fan of the Tory’s but people like Theresa May and Starmer have far more understanding of actually being a public servant - problem is half the country think it’s more like voting on ‘Britains got talent’

I know that. It still doesn't explain why you have accepted it. There is plenty you can do to help prevent this happening.

What would happen to my family.
Me personally I will have to leave UK as eu citizen, even I would be in UK 30 Years married to Brit since 2006.
He wouldn’t go to my country of origin so we would have to split up.
My child would be around 18 at a that time so adult and he wouldn’t go with me as all his life is here, as being born British and he not interested to moving away.
Me on the other hand would be homeless in my old country as have nothing there.
I can’t imagine starting new somewhere else from scratch, truly disastrous for me.
I'm longer in UK now than I ever was in my old country.

In the progressive area I live near, I've started coming across people on the busses emboldened to speak with strangers next to them openly about immigrants and other minorities in derogatory ways. It goes hand in hand with the flags. People are fed up, and they've been lied to by folks like reform. We're following in Trump's footsteps. It's incredibly sad to see the decline in basic human compassion, it devalues us.

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Who would be the grown ups in charge again? Maybe it’s Bobby Jenrick in his puffer jacket being followed by his YouTube filming crew pointing out all of the consequences of 14 years of Tory failures and blaming it on the current government, or highlighting petty crime while ignoring his own epic levels of corruption. For the party that that hammered us with Brexit, austerity, Johnson, Truss, ‘Stop the Boats’ and so much more, then I’ll assume this is satire. Party politics aside, I’m no supporter of the Tories, but the likes of Heseltine, Howard, Major, Clarke, who seam positively reasonable and sensible now, are long gone - I’d suggest any Tory party members/voters get their own house in order before they start to preach.

@sesquipedalian I think you would find, as with all governments, that their ideas will be tempered once they get into office.

Like Trump's government?

How about "Wait and see what's actually proposed when it comes to an election ?"

I'm not supporting Reform, but equally I'm not condemning them at this stage, it's far too early for discussions about what any party will propose in their manifesto.

If her husband won't go to her "country of origin" that's a different discussion.

@NorfolkandBad I suggest people watch ‘the Nazis a warning from history’ or even more up to date the rather fantastic ‘Babylon Berlin ‘ ( subtitled drama) - made by the Germans. Anyone think Hitler campaigned on ‘I will end up gassing people who don’t think like we do or don’t support us or we will effectively ‘cancel ‘ any press that isn’t supportive or we will storm in and get rid of opposition by killing/ threatening their families or silencing the legal system etc etc ?? No me neither. It’s a bunch of mainly men with huge ideas of power and dominance despite mainly being a bunch of inadequates - attracting others of the same ilk - and using exactly the expressions what the Nazis used ‘we are just concerned patriots’ - I say this as someone who is actually quite pro strict and controlled and monitored migration and a centreist voter . Im not that woke either, but I do know a snake oil salesman and his bootmen when I see one having had a business many years in an industry with a lot of sharks - Farage is an utter power mad grifter and is using ‘ordinary people’ as his foot soldiers - just as the Nazis did. Press love him , most is right wing owned - never forget the Mails ‘hurrah for the black shirts’ and he gets clicks and comments and traction - all generate revenue in an era of declining media sales. ( I work in media) and not anything ‘left wing ‘ by the way’

People believed him re Brexit ( don’t forget the ‘what’s wrong with being like Norway’ ?? Knowing full well that wasn’t going to happen - i can’t believe so many of the UK public are so gullible. We will end up like the USA , except without the money, overseas investment, influence and with 80 year olds working for tips at valet parking - the rich of course may well be fine and won’t see the issue . Just pay out for everything .

This! It'll be immigrants , then non-white British born citizens, trans people, disabled people and then LGB people. It's a slippery slope and people are playing with fire. Soon it'll be anyone who disagrees with them. Never forget Farage said the man he admired most politically is Putin, and he was known to sing Nazi songs in his youth. In the long run supporting fascism never ends well for anyone, even the most ardent supporters.
History shows they lose everything eventually.

Are you saying only uneducated, poor and elderly will vote for reform?
That does not make sense. I am white, female, born here, uni educated and professional qualification, retired early fifties, watch alot of current affairs.

If I'm having to consider such an option then others will be too.

Yes there are uneducated racist thugs using the reform wave to behave like animals. There was also lots of lazy benefit scammers who voted for labour because it suited them. I myself was a tory voter but now find myself lost as to which way to turn.

The NHS needs to change. We can't afford it and the service is becoming terrible. So would an american system be so bad. I already have private dental care. I already need to pay to see a private GP as I can't get an NHS one. Would a fast, efficient but paid for health service not perhaps be better. I bet lots of people would start looking after their health better if they had to pay for it.

You just said he wants a private health system and then you said doctors would be vilified. Do you mean public sector doctors? In which case that fits into what I said above.

When people or countries or companies are fighting to survive an element of survival of the fittest always comes into play. That's how the human race survived. Do I think we are going to start rounding up people and gassing them again. Of course not. That was a terrible, terrible thing. Do I think there will be an element of telling people to buck the fuck up and get back to work or starve. Yes I do and quite frankly this country needs that. We can't afford to continue as we are. How do you sustain and grow a country with an oversized public sector taking from the public purse, a huge benefit claiming sector who are taking from the public purse and fewer and fewer tax generating people.
For people who currently work and pay taxes their burden should go down under this revised system as they will no longer be paying for everyone else. I can imagine lots of hardworking, squeezed people voting for reform as they are sick of funding everyone else.

I would argue 'Joe Little' has been given too many rights in recent years. When i see the disrespect for the police and the law, illegal migrants being treated better than us, shoplifting rife with no consequences then I think yes we need to go back to tougher laws and higher standards. I don't have any issue with that.

As opposed to our current goverment who make decisions, then reverse them. Cry in parliament (RR), rip off tax (AR), increase our debt hugely in just one year, increase our welfare burden in just one year, pussy foot around illegals taking the mickey.

Yes everyone will think how silly of us to have voted in someone who might be tougher when we could have stuck with a weak willed, over emotional, tax stealing goverment.