What will life be like under Reform?

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I have accepted the likelihood of the next government being Reform. I don’t think the government after that will necessarily be Reform. But in the 4 Reform years, what do people think life will be like for the different groups in our country? Will we see very immediate changes?

They haven't come up with any believable other reason. I mean, I know they're not very good at thinking things through...

But I draw my own conclusions.

All non stun halal and kosher are disgusting and cruel

as is the slaughter and caging of all animals for food

One day I hope a more enlightened and caring population will look back and see how sick this all is
We’re a very very long way off from that though

Agree. Their priorities are bizarre

At least you are consistent. I can respect that.

A minimum of 3000-3200 foxes killed illegally by the hunt every year
Foxhounds illegally shot every year to a minimum of 3000

Road accidents and disruption

Other animals killed
Cost re policing

Thankyou

Approximately 300,000 foxes are killed annually by farmers and gamekeepers to protect livestock.

When shooting laws resulted in less gamesmen managing environments, songbird numbers dropped significantly due to there being more predators.

I can accept you having a viewpoint that humans should never kill animals - regardless of consequences for other animals or us - and that we shouldn't keep livestock.

It's not my viewpoint.

The UK prides itself on high animal welfare standards and must be consistent in tackling inhumane treatment of animals, whatever form that takes.

So this would mean a ban on trail hunting with dogs AND inhumane methods of slaughter. And more border checks to prevent lower welfare meat being imported.

To give perspective as a rural dweller, social lives where I live centre around the village hall and pub, with book groups, WI, cricket tournaments, church, wildlife group, indoor bowls tournaments.

There is a local hunt, but few riders own a horse solely to hunt. The economic impact of hunting is minimal, and the meets are not a social event for the majority of residents, who are elderly, or don’t support blood sports, or don’t ride. Some farmers also don’t support the hunt because of potential damage to land, field boundaries, and livestock.

Or enforce existing laws. Which are enough, if followed.

If very nearly half of these hunts are resulting in killing animals illegally, then it seems far more efficient to simply ban them, than to spend more money policing people who clearly are intent on breaking the law. That aligns with the views you claim to hold yourself. It's a pragmatic approach, which you have repeatedly said is important to you in policy making.

Also, there is absolutely no requirement for any dogs to be put down. That would be up to their owners. Interesting though, that you think they all value their animals so little that they would kill them if they couldn't make them chase foxes any more.

It's barbaric and has no place in modern society. Most people support the ban end off....it would appear Farage appears anywhere where he might be able to gather support for his vile racist party

The same game keepers who have been poisoning endangered birds of prey....I have little sympathy for the hunting brigade.

To protect livestock, not for entertainment.
I have friends who hunt (non UK) and they shoot and then dress and eat almost every part of the animal, they also kill with one shot or 2 maximum. I have no issue with killing animals to protect livestock or to eat but doing it as sport takes some sort of psycopath

In non-stun Halal abattoirs, in 54 per cent of inspections, there were “major” or “critical” issues with the “handling and processes from slaughtering to despatch are done in a way that avoids the contamination of meat and offal entering the food chain”.

Furthermore, in 20 per cent of audits, there were issues with “suffering during their killing and related operations”.

Far more animals affected.

So I'm afraid I can't take the posts upthread at all seriously: they're clearly just identity politics. It's just a different form of bigotry.

I exclude @DrPrunesqualer from that, since she objects to both - and in fact to all caging and slaughter of animals. This is a consistent, ethical view.

It really isn't. On the other trail hunting thread you claim it's a tiny minority of hunts that result in wildlife kills. It's not, and hundreds if not thousands of wild animals die in trail hunts each year. Why is this more acceptable to you than animal cruelty in abattoirs? Both are wrong, both must be stopped . It's not bigoted to think that. You have zero evidence that the trail hunting ban is about class warfare. What the Telegraph says isn't evidence.

Oh, and no one is expecting you to have "sympathy for the hunting brigade". Or to like them.

The expectation is that you won't have a different bar for different groups in society, depending on whether you like them or not.

That laws will be consistently made - and applied - to all people in our society regardless of their popularity, with unbiased balance between different groups' wants and needs.

It's really not a hard concept. It used to be foundational to British culture - a sense of fair play. But it's something the Left seem to really, really struggle with.

It's bigoted to create a law to stop trail hunting - but not create a law to stop non-stun slaughter houses, when the later causes significantly more animal harm - just because you don't like the people who hunt.

I don't think either should be stopped - just the law applied.

It's the inconsistency in posters preferred approach which shows their bigotry.

In the UK, around 30 million animals were killed without pre-stunning in 2024. 20% of audits found issues with “suffering during their killing and related operations”.

You do the maths. And then tell me why trail hunting is Labour's priority.

Banning trail hunting is only a part of the wider Animal Welfare Strategy

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/animal-welfare-strategy-for-england/animal-welfare-strategy-for-england

But nice derail.

If you want to stop non stun abattoirs, and I would 100% back such a law, you have to ban all of them. The halal and the kosher. I am fine with that. Are you?* *

I really find the mental gymnastics some people do to turn so many threads to Muslims and their faults quite astounding.

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/politics-unpacked/id660638948?i=1000743060510

On this Times podcast, they claimed that roughly 20 foxes are killed in a year from drag hunting.

I already said I don't support banning them.

I support enforcing the law

Same for trail hunting.

Yes, yes. Everyone here knows you're one of the 'good guys'. No need for performative in-group demonstrations.

Shit