What will life be like under Reform?

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I have accepted the likelihood of the next government being Reform. I don’t think the government after that will necessarily be Reform. But in the 4 Reform years, what do people think life will be like for the different groups in our country? Will we see very immediate changes?

Right.

My parents were immigrants, too and my husband is a more recent migrant. Trends in Europe are alarming, it's true to say.

I go to Stockholm once a year to visit my sister and nephews and nieces. I've always loved it and think Sweden is a great place. However, in the last few years things have changed and they are experiencing the same problems as the rest of Europe.

I didn't know that. But Reform have sent fliers to households in our area specifically promising to send the auditors in to our local Council.

Our Council's Annual Statements of Account are all on their website, accessible to all and didn't take me long to find. Why didn't Reform know about them?

Accepted doesn’t mean at peace with. It means I know it’s lonely to happen.

I agree with this.

Although I also just don’t see it happening.

Nobody I know, from any walk of life, takes Reform seriously.

I just don’t see them getting the votes.

I have no idea what it will be like and neither does anyone else, after all so many told us life under Labour would be fantastic, that they would look after us😆 look at the state we are in and this is just the tip of the iceberg.

Labour need to seriously up their game to avoid this happening. I don’t know if they have the capability but let’s hope so

A week is a long time in politics, 4 years is forever and I'm not buying an early election given everything the last Tory government survived.

They might be the single biggest party in what people say they will vote for. I'm not answering that question at the moment- I'm deeply unimpressed with Labour, in particular their handling of reform and ignoring the climate crisis - but I'll vote for the "least worst " in my judgement at the time. That will never be reform. I think a lot of people feel politically homeless but anti reform. For the first time, I'd consider a one nation Tory vote if I was offered it.

I think they'd have a chance at the biggest minority in a hung parliament under proportional representation. I think they are less likely to win a majority of seats. And we're going to see the catastrophic impact of a populist leader in America in much less time.

Personally I think I'd be radicalised by a reform government. The things I know I should do - disengage from Amazon, subscription services etc - I will do. I'd quit my public sector role (I can earn much more in the private sector) and I'd get accounting advice to pay minimal tax. I'd be much more active in supporting charities.

But I think we should hope and keep fighting

However, not inevitable. I agree with pp, get involved in activism and movements for change.

Good points, @Eskarina1 . Especially your last sentence.

The first thing to go would be any integrity in our statistical systems - ONS, ORB etc would be gutted so that the figures did what they wanted them to.

Science would do what it is in US and also become untrustworthy with studies on sample sizes of 12 (like Wakefield's that Trump is quoting) taking precedence over longitudinal ones that don't comply with what the flavour of the day is - probably so that people keep buying Warbutons or some other toxic shite that the Reform donors own.

Farage wants to relax handgun laws so we'd start having shootings in schools and probably hospitals as well.

Just look at America basically.

So far they've noted taxi drivers are making a mint from govt on SEN kids. Now the govt can see the taxi firms are also profiteering from asylum seekers. But guess which group always vote Reform, so are unlikely to be targeted in cuts?
Single males working for themselves and likely dodging tax. That is the target audience, which says a lot about how things will pan out.

They’re probably concerned the council have been marking their own homework.
This is a screen grab from Sacha Yanshin’s YouTube channel taken at 03.58 mins shows how some councils are wasting a lot of money.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GT_SIRa4jnQ

Four years is along way off so not sure what the election then will bring. However, I don't think it will be disaster if Reform win the most but have to share power - most of those who have turned to Reform are disillusioned with the other parties. Labour promised so much, it really was hopeful but the Govt has been disappointing. We have a situation where many feel ignore and are working/have worked and feel that their taxes are being used for benefits to those who are working the system and they naturally feel that this is unjust, whole swathes of the North feel ignored, many working class people feel they can't say what they think or express their views otherwise they are called ignorant, racist or phobic and are frustrated. I think the present Govt have to change its approach or at least the impression that it gives as Reform will win.

I don't think any party, other than perhaps Greens would share power with Reform. You'd end up doing all the work and getting all the blame - see Lib/Con coalition.

Hell for those on the bottom rung of society.

It worries me, I dont want to live in a Trump-esque country.

I'm not sure how it would effect our family, personally. We are financially comfortable, but not rich. Family joint income of around £130K but living in the expensive south east so we have a pretty big standard house with a large mortgage. 3 teens, no SEN needs. Minimum NHS use (mostly because can never get dr appts!)

DH is police, I work in a management role for a HA.

I am more concerned for my kids, one is 16 and wants to work in a creative job (she loves art) but I doubt there will be many options for her.

Not really. Traders are not businessmen. They are about risk and reward, not stability; and playing the market is not the same as building an economy.

It also means that he, like the vast majority of politicians sadly, has no idea about what normal people's lives are like and what their real challenges are.

All parties profess to make changes, and do this and that. Yet it's usually more of the same old shit show.
I doubt there will be mass deportations of illegal persons or settled working people being told to leave.

But Councils have to be externally audited, by law. They're not allowed to "mark their own homework" and if they tried, I don't see how they could get away with it for long. Our Council publishes it's annual reports by the external auditors, along with its Annual Statements.

Councils normally follow strict internal financial processes as well. These are far stricter and considerably more laborious than for any private sector company I have worked for.

I’m screwed and I dread to think of anyone with disabilities, foreign nationals of any sort, low income, single parents, nhs, medical needs, he literally is telling us they are eating the swans and Trump is now a Medical
professional . The only ones happy are the racists and homophobia’s and anyone who doesn’t fit into their mold of what the perfect human is. God help us

@AbsenceOfLoveIsJustAsBad very big difference playing with other peoples cash-

@Shegotanology and mainly the ones who will vote for it- turkeys and Xmas come to mind

I’ve never wanted anything to be more true as I’m literally about to burst into tears at the thought for many reasons