What will life be like under Reform?

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I have accepted the likelihood of the next government being Reform. I don’t think the government after that will necessarily be Reform. But in the 4 Reform years, what do people think life will be like for the different groups in our country? Will we see very immediate changes?

So far the only bike they keep pedalling is on immigration. I doubt there's much thinking or policy on any other areas. So the life under Ref would likely reflect just that. Cue, see the orange man.

I do think when talking about this, we need to move away from 'Reform voters are just thick racists', it isn't true and it makes people turn off from any subsequent argument you might make. I think it's better to remind people Farage is a rich kid, a millionaire city trader ( aka a gambler with other people's money) which is not the same thing as a businessman or a diplomat.

And also remind people he's a hypocrite who will sell us out to Trump's America - he literally wrote some evidence to a Senate committee saying America should use trade deals to 'deal with our freedom of speech problem'. Mr 'British Sovreignty' actually told a foreign government, one we can now consider hostile, that they should use their power to change our laws. Do people want a PM willing to advise demagogues from other countries how to make British laws into what they want?

I don't know if you are being sarcastic asking where the debt has come from.

In case you are serious - too many public sector workers v private sector, too many benefit claimants, services that we can't afford anymore ie the NHS, wealthy leaving the country, avoiding work being rewarded, illegal migrants being housed in hotels costing a fortune.

Another big problem with our debt is that each month we borrow more to pay for our bills. So each month our debt goes up and thus the interest on the debt goes up. As we become seen as less stable and less of a good investment rates on our debts go up making this burden even greater.

The only way out of a spiraling black hole is to stop adding to the debt and start reducing it. How do we do that. We need more income (so cut benefits and get people back to work), we reduce costs (cut benefits, throw out migrants, stop funding a NHS we can't afford). As our debt burden goes down and our income goes up we can start investing in the country with new infrastructure etc

No failing services are not a new thing which is why people are saying well the Tories couldn't fix it, the labour party couldn't fix it so hmmm maybe we should try someone different with tougher views.

Is that more scary than continuing the way we are? If I saw labour making good decisions, slowly and surely then I would accept that it would take them quite a while to fix things. However I don't think they have done this at all and so here we are......

What a load of absolute dirge.

Farage is a spineless laughing stock. I can't be bothered to list all the ways he would destroy Britain, Rasking lists it succinctly:

That's when they'll come after the women though - fill the spaces! Why aren't you doing more cheap labour? You don't need a pay rise to care for people.

It's about men not being taxed and treating others like they own them.

but a short time with labour has got us seriously facing a reform goverment.

So even if Reform do only last a short time, they won't have been in power much time less than labour.

I completely get why people are scared and panicking. I am too.

I am just trying to work out which option out of those available is the 'least worst'

yes they will face disgruntled people as they begin to make hard choices.

This happened to labour who promptly backed down and allowed 'the mob' to rule.

To be sucessful they will need to be okay with making tough choices and standing by them. No matter what any goverment does there will always be those who are pleased and those who are disgruntled.

Cut benefits - those on benefits will be complaining, those in work paying taxes will be pleased as their burden goes down

You can apply this to every decision the goverment will make.

Making plans at our business to move operations to the Euro zone, causing the loss of 80 skilled jobs. Businesses need political stability and investment in the basics - telecommunications, water, power, skills education, health. Won’t happen under Reform.

Goodness knows i am no Farage fan, but the last thing thst man is, is a buffoon. He is very charismatic and extremely intelligent and perceptive. This is exactly why he is so very dangerous!!

Yes, honestly, I think Investor confidence is going to be hugely impacted by a Reform win.

My 85 year old mother who has lived here for 40 years but only has settled status under the EU withdrawal agreement. She’s Dutch and they don’t allow dual nationality but I think I’m going to have to persuade her to give up her Dutch nationality so that she can have a British one. She’s not lived in the Netherlands since 1966.

So PIP becomes only for the most ill and disabled in society. The rest go back to work.

The benefit is 90% saved AND thus people are now generating income for the country by working. So the change in the finances of the country is not just the benefit saved, it is also the growth in income.

PIP is just one benefit. Now lets apply that to all the rest of the free money getting given out. I'm afraid my knowledge of individual benefits is very poor as I have only ever claimed job seekers allowance twice for a month or two. However I know from watching current affairs that the overall bill is huge.

I don't class the state pension as a 'free money' benefit. Everyone works and pays in to the system which is supposed to be used to pay them back in retirement. So the state pension is supposed to be earned during your working years. Unfortunately for us the goverment does not take your contributions and ring fence them for you. Instead they used them to pay for current pensioners. For those of us yet to receive the state pension we need the current upcoming youngsters to be paying tax to fund our state pension.

There is a big difference between Joe Smith who works for most of his life and has short spells when he claims job seekers allowance while getting another job. Compare this to the permanent long term 'always on benefits' crew who have no intention working while the silly goverment is soft enough to keep funding them.

We clearly have very different standards of what constitutes intelligence, charisma and sharp human perception 😄

To me he appears as a slippery little submissive worm who will brown nose anyone with the ability to control and oppress. He is sidling up to far right narcissists and stoking them to cause trouble so he can appear to be 'the answer'.
He epitomises the ultimate divide and rule triangulation tactic.

Many are falling for it and this will bring (has already brought) a hugely divided and warring Britain. First it was splinter us off from the EU, next the plan is to splinter communities.

Great, can't wait. Those metal window shutters businesses will make a cracking business under 'reform'.

I think the companies who supported Brexit - JCB, Warburtons, Dyson would soon be calling to make the UK a tax haven. Then Dyson would create jobs by moving something from Singapore and it would be front page news for about 5 months to show how great Reform are. They'd ignore all the negatives of course.

eh I hate to say it but the markets are already showing their displeasure by increasing interest rates on our bonds, inflation is already going the wrong way which combined with low growth leads to stagflation which is a very bad place to be. The NHS is already collapsing - have you tried to get a GP appointment recently or have you needed an ambulance.

We are already financially unviable - debt goes up every month as we can't afford our current bills.

All these terrible things that you are predicting are already here and happening.

Why do you think there is so much unrest and threads like this?

I agree they do.

It isn't happening currently either though and that is the problem.

Investor confidence is already impacted though. That's why the rates on our bonds (goverment debt) is so high. We are no longer the safe, stable investment we used to be so people are demanding higher compensation (interest)

I think less will happen than you think, I’m not sure they will know how to make government work and the civil service won’t be that compliant. Generally it’s hard to cut in government, much easier to add, whilst there’s stuff they would cut ideologically it’s probably less that we expect, in many cases they will go too far, but hopefully that gives another government the chance to build back to somewhere in the middle. Liking at how they select and manage councillors I’d expect several of their mps to defect or have to resign so i would be amazed if they got a big enough majority to last 5 years. Will be interesting to see who follows them.

But that started with Brexit, so not a Labour thing anyway.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36644934

How is an illegal migrant being treated better than you?

People here illegally get no benefits.

You see posts like this which say Nigel is a rich kid who made himself alot of money in the city make me think he is more suitable not less.

So he was born into money was he - okay so he probably had a really good education on business and economics and learnt about how companies and countries operate. That sounds like a good thing for someone who needs to lead a country.

Made himself alot of money in the city - so he's smart and believes in hard work and being rewarded for it. He knows how to make money. Again surely another quality we need in a goverment.

When our laws say shoplifting has no consequences and illegals have more rights than us, then I say our laws need to change.

they get free accomodation and free food while our own citizens post threads about how they can't afford their private rent or the increasing food bills.

The illegals break the law by coming here illegally and yet we give them free food and board. Go down the local food bank or where the homeless hang out and see if they feel treated better.

I think you'd be looking at 5 years anyway. They'll need time to force through complicated stuff like dismantling the NHS etc. Surely they will copy other ideas from the Republican Party playbook too? Like vote suppression and gerrymandering. The Tories already tried this in a more limited fashion , the Votes for Homes scandal. And anyway if they have messed it all up , why not hang in for the extra year.

A lot would depend on whether Farage had an outright majority or was in coalition - presumably with the Tories? Foreign born people with good qualifications are presumably considering their options already. Billionaires always threaten to leave when Labour gets in. Rarely happens though. It's always useful people who give up. It was great when British politics was boring wasn't it....

Well he thinks paracetamol is unsafe, so you can rule out a good education! (Sorry Dulwich!)

Investor confidence dips and rises on many things.
You said a reform goverment would cause it to dip. It may well.

However I was pointing out that so has the current goverment where we are having IMF bailouts being published as a possibility in the telegraph and debt and interest continuing to rise.