What will life be like under Reform?

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I have accepted the likelihood of the next government being Reform. I don’t think the government after that will necessarily be Reform. But in the 4 Reform years, what do people think life will be like for the different groups in our country? Will we see very immediate changes?

The huge increase in our debt in the last year plus failing services, lack of law and order is screaming that hard changes are needed.

Where did the debt come from? Is it a new thing that services are failing?

Just the same, they will immediately become unpopular and spend the rest of the parliament trying unsuccessfully to placate all the people they promised everything to.

You're right, but unfortunately, people won't do that. There's such a defeatist attitude.

Where would they go?

Lots of the west have aging populations and the demographic changes are going to put huge strain on economies. Many countries will be vying for young talent and offering incentives eg Portugal and their tax incentives for under 35s.

Surely another way to grow our population is by making it affordable to have more babies. Why do we have to keep bringing people into the country. Wouldn't our own younger population do the same thing?

We have prioritised the old over the young and this is the consequence. We already have more over 65s than under 15 yr olds hence immigration.

I assume that after they get in, the party will fall apart due to infighting and the exposing of the "swivel-eyed loons" that will occur. I'll say the same thing as I would if I saw Nigel Farage coming out the toilet: "I'd give it 6 months".

But isn't that how Britain used to be?

Hard work, initiative, risk taking was rewarded.

Being on the dole/benefits was looked down on and embarrasing.

Now we have swung the other way and people seem proud to be scamming benefits and have no desire to work or make money.

Companies that are profitable will be run as companies. Companies that are not being run properly will be vunerable as they should be (survival of the fittest).

Public service employees will be slashed to more sensible levels and more people will return to the private sector which is what we need.

If more people wanted to 'make money' then we wouldn't have such a huge benefit bill would we. Also tax income to the goverment would increase if more people were 'making money'

I have no issue with people getting rich if they use their intelligence/skills/hard work. I do have an issue with people getting benefits for doing bugger all.

I mean the reason people are thinking of voting for him is there is nobody else and people are sick fed up.

What does this actually mean?

There is definitely nobody else promising lower taxes, better public services and solving the illegal immigration issue in weeks. Because it's bullshit. Voters don't want the truth.

yes I am aware. Which is why we need to change things so our own citizens can afford houses and babies again.

I mean we can grow our own vegetables or we can buy them from abroad.
One is quicker and one is a long term plan better for the future of the country.

Now we have swung the other way and people seem proud to be scamming benefits and have no desire to work or make money.

What does this even mean? The majority of people who get benefits are pensioners and people in work.

Public service employees will be slashed to more sensible levels and more people will return to the private sector which is what we need.

What are sensible levels of public sector workers?

How are you supposed to decide how to vote if you don't consider what life will be like if each candidate were to be in power?

That's the way in the developed world, though. People have fewer children.
The Japanese have solved it with technology, including using robots.

You do know that Cummings is already advising Farage, right?

Reform's spectacular success in the last several months can be directly attributed to him - the situation hasn't changed that much this year, but Reform's polling has. It's Cumming's job, this b...d man if f...g genius of campaigning. Unfortunately for us.

@zazazaaar and others talking about Reform making "the rich richer at the expense of the Poor"
Just how do you think this will happen, what methods, what mechanisms are there for this.

@AbsenceOfLoveIsJustAsBad but no country has reversed both rates once they have dropped below replacement rate so that ship has sailed. And even we managed it what about the interim 20 yrs?

Housing costs are a huge barrier for young people and growth but plenty of the electorate don't want to address that.

The triple lock needs to be paused (not scrapped) and that money invested elsewhere but the public would be outraged 🤷🏻‍♀️

The question to ask I suppose is, will Nigel really do something about the issues important to you. What did Nigel achieve when he was an MEP? What is he achieving now in his constituency?

Because the answer to the above questions is nothing. He achieved nothing for his constituents - so going on his track record he will achieve nothing if Reform are voted in. And we will have stags and foxes hounded and killed into the bargain and a deterioration in animal welfare in farming.

serious question though. Who are you voting for in the next election?

I mean if we keep going with labour then IMF bailout, UK laughing stock (we already are)

Tories have vanished. I mean who is even in charge there now anyway. Plus they had their shot and it wasn't great.

So why not try someone new? Yes it might be worse or it might not. At least a new option gives people hope again. If all they did was slash benefits they would be on the right track. Less burden on country and more tax income to goverment to put into infrastructure/investment etc

More people working and less on benefits also does lead to lower taxes on individuals as the overall tax generated is still more

@ScarlettOYara Japan hasn't solved it! Look at their growth, their economy has stagnated for decades and this is with them actually planning for an ageing population and with a backdrop of good infrastructure, innovation etc. We have ignored it & done nothing.

You might get mostly not so nice replies, because many are baised with reform.

My feeling - There might not be immediate changes, but there will be a big shift in the first few years and then might get better !

What does that actually mean, the UK is "the laughing stock"? Believe me, other nations, including those of Europe, have significant economic, social and political problems.
Nowhere is utopia.

Are the U.K. a laughing stock! Have you ever spent any real time in other counties or with people from other counties. U.K. is not a laughing stock.

I really don't think it's going to happen, but if it did:

I'd lose my job - I work in Local Government, in Adult Social Care. Reform will be making huge cuts to LAs

Our son's LT partner would potentially have to leave the UK. She's an EU citizen, has lived in the UK for 7 years, has a very well paid professional job, but that wouldn't count for anything.

DH will retire in 3 years so probably won't be affected, but he works for a not-for-profit research organization that relies heavily on government contracts. I doubt there will be many of those available under Reform so they will probably go under.

In a wider perspective, the NHS would be unworkable. Racism would be given free reign. The divide between rich and poor would increase.

Why so people keep talking about birth rates when AI is right around the corner. My husbands brother already sees his job being replaced. Some already talking about replacing workers with ai.

soon there will be no need for existing people

@AbsenceOfLoveIsJustAsBad I genuinely do not know but it will absolutely not be Reform who will cause a bigger than Liz Truss market crash because their figures do not add up. It will be Brexit 2.0. The IMF won't bail us out, for one France will be first in line and I'm not sure they can afford both of us!

we need grown up conservations and cross party consensus to have a hope of reversing our decline and it will take years.

Is AI going to empty the bins and do social care?