What will life be like under Reform?

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I have accepted the likelihood of the next government being Reform. I don’t think the government after that will necessarily be Reform. But in the 4 Reform years, what do people think life will be like for the different groups in our country? Will we see very immediate changes?

The Tories spent far too long replacing ministers, replacing leaders and fighting amongst themselves. They did sod all to really improve any problems the country had and they had 14 years.

Sunak knew he couldn’t win, called a GE that he knew Labour would win so Starmer would have to deal with the problems.

How many PMs did the conservatives have ? Five wasn’t it ?

I think this kind of thinking is very common. A belief that it might be worth voting Reform in order to teach the other parties a lesson. The assumption that they won't be able to do that much damage if they do get in. The belief that we'll be able to get rid of them easily if they do get in.

I find it incredibly naive and unbelievably stupid.

Maybe so but people are fed up with the Tories and Labour merry go round. It’s called the status quo.

Maybe people want a radical party? Who knows what will happen?

Being fed up with Labour and the Tories and wanting a "radical party" is no excuse for voting in a party like Reform.

People should be very careful what they wish for. They might not like the status quo, but they will like the harsh reality of a "radical" Reform government much, much less. If the electorate is stupid enough to vote them in, then they will get what they deserve and it will be fucking awful. I guess that's democracy. 🤷‍♀️

Thankfully, I'll be able to leave, and i won't have to stick around to watch the shit show unfold.

Where would you send migrants? Nauru etc where holding camps, migrants told they could never go to Australia.

Aus sent 100% of migrants there, many 1000s but that didn't stop arrivals, it was push back that did that.... where would we "push back" these boats too?

The EU has paid N.African countries billions to hold migrants/police their coast line, the main reason crossings have fallen

It was the Conservatives that opened the doors to illegal migration/hotels/money & family to come here and failed to deport.

They also let in 2m people (inside 2 years) via Visas, many of whom, up to 400,000 who have overstayed, safe in the knowledge we will let them stay here, working in the cash in hand economy.

It is Labour who are trying to stop this, net migration now 200k, down from 1.2m in 2023/24.

But nice attempt at re writing history and pretending this is all on Labour and the left.

People voted for radicalism in the uSA, they got high inflation, tax cuts for the wealthy, even less welfare and a sex offender.

We voted radically in 2016 for Brexit, we got Boris Johnson aka as Pepper Pig and Liz Truss.

Plus it is costing the economy 10s of billions per year.

Voting for the 'right wing, always costs.

Incredibly dangerous if you have a disabled or special needs child. I’m hoping and betting that after Brexit debarcle people have realised you can’t trust people who claim how much easier and better and simpler it will be….
But in the cataclysmic event of Reform winning. I would seek to leave the country if at all possible.

A wholesale reversal of lots of Labour policies: jury removal, blasphemy laws, education tax (only reason I’m voting for them), discriminatory hiring practices in public sector around race and background, generational farmer tax, anti growth policies and shrink the state creep control over peoples lives.
The general trend will be growth and to reduce immigration (both legal and illegal). They are actually quite left wing financially in terms of things like free child care and keeping the above 2 child benefit cap. But they do seem interested in removing the tax burden on people who work and making them better off than the people who don’t.
Internationally, obviously move closer to the US, Canada and the Australia.
It will be interesting to see, they would really have to try hard to make a bigger mess than Labour anyway,

Isn’t that what the current Government is, it’s just spite policy after spite policy aimed at people they don’t like: business owners, higher earners (over £40k now 😆), independently educated children, farmers, old people, home owners, people who rent out property.

I’m not a supporter of Labour or Reform.I suspect chaos as (as has happened with this government) there is no plan or experience of navigating policy changes.

As someone said earlier, if the UK rolls the red carpet out for migrants , ie little chance of deportation once they arrive ,a home, money access to public services and a much easier life it’s a no brainer that people will come here. I can’t blame the migrants for that.

This did start under the Conservatives watch they did noting in 14 years to address immigration.

Labour didn’t start the problem but I never believed that Starmer would smash the gangs.

You have to de-insensitive people to
come or have a solution that works when they do.

If immigration isn’t sorted out in the parliament then. Reform government has more chance of getting in power.

Im personally more worried about the here and now, my health, mortgage, paying bills.

Im not going to worry about a hypothetical situation that might or might not happen in four years time.

Anyone who can read, add up and think can work out in broad terms - if not in detail - what will happen (but sadly that's only a subset of the electorate). That's why we have elections: because proposed governmental actions have more or less predictable consequences so we can decide which set of actions we want. If that weren't the case then it would be a simple matter of keeping the same government and throwing a pair of dice in the air to decide what to do next.

Immigration will be reduced. That will make little difference to anything other than increasing pressure on the NHS, universities and other sectors that rely on it. Casual racism will continue to increase and be more tolerated. Inequality will sharply increase as the richest benefit from lower taxes and deregulation, while everyone else suffers the wholescale decimation of public services with no tax revenue to pay for them. The NHS will be privatised or semi-privatised, allowing some to get a better service for less money than they currently pay in tax for it, and others to get a shit or no service with avoidable deaths increasing.

You pays your money you takes your choice. But don't try and assuage your conscience by pretending that any of this is not easily predictable from Reform's proposed policies.

I get that you don't like the current government. I'm not mad keen on them either.

That does not mean that Reform would offer a better alternative. Nor does it mean that Reform will not be much, much worse.

It's a bit like saying I really don't like sprouts so I'm going to start eating rat poison instead. I mean, surely, it can't be any worse than sprouts?

But I don’t know who I’ll vote for in the next GE. I’d imagine despite a lot of talk about Reform, most people don’t at the moment either.

Life is too short to worry about a future general election , life throws so many curve balls at us, no point in stressing about something that’s beyond our control.

We vote for who we want to vote for. And let others do the same. That’s why we have a democratic system . It’s not perfect but it is what it is.

The plundering and asset stripping of our country will accelerate, making life for ordinary people really shit. If you think it's bad now, you will look upon 2025 thinking these were the good old days.
But then if Labour keep on getting scared of their own shadows and refuse to do the hard work of fixing Brexshit, things won't improve, growth won't happen, and Fromage will get in.

Or saying 'I hate having the flu, but I like the sound of the Black Death'. Mind you, at least it was a swift end I believe.

Members of the current Labour party aren't scared, they're incompetent and keep playing right into the hands of Reform. Utter stupidity.

What has been people's experience who live in Reform led council areas?

We had a Reform led council, they then argued amongst themselves, split, became "independents" and now we ve a LD council.

Reform are a disorganised rabble, if they did become the UK Government, you d have 100s of MPs/Ministers, quickly chosen as candidates, zero experience, numerous by elections as Reform MPs found to have awful views.

We'd end up with chaos.

'Disorganised rabble' could describe perfectly well this Labour government and the last Conservative government.

Both Labour and the Tories are fully signed up to the UN agenda 2030. But what does that mean you ask. It's quite important actually, so educate yourself here:

No wonder the powers that be don't want someone like Reform coming along to upset the apple cart. Expect a full-on campaign of smearing and disinformation from the establishment to ramp up before the next election.

Oops, looks like that link didn't work. To watch the video in question, please type in the following to the video search in Google:

The UN’s DARK Agenda: What You’re Not Being Told About Agenda 2030

The video is by Bev Turner. You'll be glad you did.

Whats wrong with this...

• Eradicate extreme poverty and hunger.
• Ensure healthy lives and well-being for all ages.
• Achieve gender equality and empower all women and girls.
• Provide quality education and promote lifelong learning.
• Protect the planet and its resources for future generations.
• Foster inclusive societies, promote peace, and ensure justice.

In essence, Agenda 2030 serves as the world's roadmap for building a better, more sustainable future by 2030.

Anyway, do you really think the UN with Russia, China and the US at the helm will achieve any of their aims?

My point though is that, as we can see with their current 4 or 5 MPs & Councillors, they rush the selection, get people in with questionable views and they end up having to get rid or there is just layers of infighting.

Labour and the Tories may well be a rabble but i don't want a worse rabble and i especially don't want anyone in who taunted Jews, no matter his age, thats not normal.

So you didn't actually watch the video then? Otherwise you wouldn't need to ask that question.

Also, assume everyone aware of the Fabian Society? Kier Starmer and every other Labour prime minister of recent history has been a member of this elitist society.

https://fabians.org.uk/on-the-horizon/

Might i suggest you do some research as to what the goals of the Fabian Society are. Some more info can be learned here:

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?mibextid=wwXIfr&v=2069104803922186&rdid=7HNZVSHIozbTcBZC

@LoyalHedgehog You re asking me to watch a load of stuff, from a very biased pov.
As i said, whatever the Agenda 2030 goals, they simply will not happen, anymore than we will limit global climate change to 1.5'C.

So its a rather moot point....

On the Fabian Society, whatever their aims, Labour clearly are not following them, i struggle to differentiate between Wes Streeting, Steve Barclay or Jeremy Hunt......