New election poll shows a very divided country!

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Reform on brink of outright majority if election were held today

https://www.thetimes.com/article/53644fbd-d669-446f-bef1-f5db0ceff159?shareToken=f5dd3aab35a7c456e59ff3468d805a8c

Most people don’t feel like you about Labour.

Relevant because reform getting in will very much be at the feet of Labour’s incompetence

I have no idea what you are reading but that isn't what I asked you....

Most people don’t feel like you about Labour.

Again what are you talking about? How exactly do I feel about labour?

I have no idea what you are arguing with me about 😆

Yep this too

The big problem is that polls need to be in every constituency. One big poll doesn’t give local or regional variations. Eg around here, the protest vote was lib dem. Not Reform. Our county council has just 5 of them. Reform is a protest vote because policies are not known in many areas plus they have few people with expertise in running government. However many voters don’t see the issues and are poorly informed.

You have asked oh so many questions, forgive me if I didn’t answer the right one

Relevant because reform getting in will very much be at the feet of Labour’s incompetenc

I would say it's equally the Tories fault but logic has no place here!

@Labraradabrador I think I confused you with @EasternStandard because you responded to a reply.

I don't think I have asked anything that hasn't been asked of me....

‘Logic has no place here’ - we have found common ground at last!

You and I know it’s fantasy, but headline-grabbing and vote-grabbing headlines are powerful stuff for people with less media / political literacy.

I said upthread many times that I do not believe labour or any single government can "fix" the growth issue. I think it's only possible if at all with cross party solutions and will take years.

I asked @EasternStandard which party she thought would deliver growth in the last election but she can't answer this. She also doesn't know what party she is voted for in the future and what their growth proposals are despite asking me to clarify labours ones.

I just don't understand this style of posting, is it simply because people are bored and want to bicker, it can't be genuine.

You and I know it’s fantasy, but headline-grabbing and vote-grabbing headlines are powerful stuff for people with less media / political literacy.

The thread clearly demonstrates this! depressing though.

Are you still wanting answers?

I would vote for a party that incentivises growth rather than hammers it as we’re currently experiencing. I’m not deciding who yet as I said. I’ll wait until closer to the time.

Totally agree with this. Reform might be great or atrocious but nobody can say the rest haven’t more than had their chance. I feel Tories and Labour have outright trolled the electorate in the last 10 years, and are comfortable to do so (as shown by this latest farce of digital ID). If they roll the dice on something new, nobody can have any complaints.

@EasternStandard Me too. We need to understand that economics matters. Hammering business and hampering growth is wrong. Labour just cannot help themselves though. Anyone who thought raising employers NI would promote growth is economically illiterate.

Our parliament and system of governing is not set up for cross party solutions. None of these MPs has much idea anyway. They are an under qualified bunch. We do not vote for cross party solutions. Elections are tribal and the winner takes it all - for centuries. It won’t change!

Very much this.

i don’t know who I will vote for in 4 years, but my current mindset is ANY party that gets Labour out.

It's really the least of our worries now, though you'd be hard pressed to believe it the way Reform talk about nothing else, I dread to think what the country will be like in four years if they carry on with this rhetoric, it's moved from illegals to legal migrants from save our women and girls to save our swans, meanwhile they're all jumping for joy when 2 women die in the channel, it's absolute insanity

We need a better informed/educated electorate and I'm not sure it's possible to put that genie back in the bottle.
We seem to have got swept up in the X Factor-isation (for want of a better term), of politics, where people get elected because they're a bit of a wag (Johnson) or promise simple solutions to complex problems (Farage etc).
The media is complicit in this and reduces everything to a soundbite or a photo op.
Government should be boring. Looking for clickbait headlines all the time does nobody any favours and we end up with Trump and his acolytes, simply because they're good copy.

When I think of rabble-rousing leaders such as Trump and Farage, I remember some very wise words from Richard Osman.

People Hide In Chaos 🫣

This is a good point.

Reform got 14% of the vote in 2024 but only 5 seats.

The polls now show over twice that % right now, but that doesn't automatically translate into hundreds and hundreds of seats, because we have FPTP for Westminster elections.

Does anyone know how many constituencies Reform came 2nd in in 2024?

Mine is any party that would keep Reform out. Even if that means holding my nose and voting Tory.

Same.

They came 2nd in around 90 Labour won seats. Not sure about others.

If you want to talk about lies and bullshit you need look no further than Labour, they are completely ignoring their manifesto and promises from just last year. Assuring us that there would be no digital ID for example (Yvette Cooper, I believe?).

If Reform win, the political establishment will have no one to blame but itself for repeatedly ignoring the concerns of much of the electorate over unsustainable net migration numbers. To me, however, there seems a rather orchestrated and deliberate nudging of the public towards Reform, which I find disturbing.

Thanks. Where is that info from, please?