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clipboardz · 27/09/2025 10:44

@Labraradabrador but that isn't all labours fault. We have been getting poorer for years, we just can't slash the interest rates to zero now to mask it.

You also claimed labour voters voted to make people poorer why do you think that?

clipboardz · 27/09/2025 10:45

Reform: we’ll start turning small boats around in two weeks.

But they won't, it's fantasy. I get that fantasy is attractive but are we just going to pretend it isn't a fantasy?

clipboardz · 27/09/2025 10:47

it is widely acknowledged the budget will be grim for just about everyone.

It absolutely will be but this is what happens with years of low growth. We are all going to get poorer and life will get more expensive, no government can change that.

Labraradabrador · 27/09/2025 10:47

@clipboardz whether it is the precise outcome they had in mind, I cannot say, though polling seems to suggest that whatever they hoped for is not being delivered.

clipboardz · 27/09/2025 10:49

I agree voters aren't happy because people can't acknowledge the issues or don't want to.

Labraradabrador · 27/09/2025 10:49

clipboardz · 27/09/2025 10:47

it is widely acknowledged the budget will be grim for just about everyone.

It absolutely will be but this is what happens with years of low growth. We are all going to get poorer and life will get more expensive, no government can change that.

And what plans does Labour propose that we think have any chance of actually delivering growth?

clipboardz · 27/09/2025 10:51

@Labraradabrador I have already said my feelings on growth. Did you miss them? No one government can fix the economy, we need low term cross party solutions. It will take years

chocolate08 · 27/09/2025 10:55

Manifesto pledge tracker on Full Fact here.
https://fullfact.org/government-tracker/
I do think the government should have gone for short term wins as well as the long term, but goodness, there was so much to sort after the Tory chaos and corruption. But millionaire banker man isn't the answer to all the issues here!

Government Tracker – Full Fact

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https://fullfact.org/government-tracker/

EasternStandard · 27/09/2025 10:57

Labraradabrador · 27/09/2025 10:49

And what plans does Labour propose that we think have any chance of actually delivering growth?

I’m interested too. @clipboardzhow will they do you think?

clipboardz · 27/09/2025 11:00

@EasternStandard Are you a reform voter, What proposals do you think they have that will result in growth?

EasternStandard · 27/09/2025 11:01

clipboardz · 27/09/2025 11:00

@EasternStandard Are you a reform voter, What proposals do you think they have that will result in growth?

Happy to answer after you do to my question.

clipboardz · 27/09/2025 11:04

@EasternStandard I have already answered upthread. I don't do tribal politics.

EasternStandard · 27/09/2025 11:06

clipboardz · 27/09/2025 11:04

@EasternStandard I have already answered upthread. I don't do tribal politics.

Ok but if there’s no answer on how Labour will achieve growth from them or anyone they will be facing pressure now and at the GE. On voting I haven’t decided and won’t until closer to the time.

clipboardz · 27/09/2025 11:08

@EasternStandard why have you assumed that because I think Reform will be a disaster that I therefore have to believe labour is amazing and will fix things in a few years? This is exactly the type of thinking that I was talking about upthread, I genuinely don't understand the point of it.

clipboardz · 27/09/2025 11:11

@EasternStandard you come across as very anti labour so who did you vote for in the last election & what growth proposals did you buy into then? so you don't have any opinion on any of the parties and there plans for growth?

clipboardz · 27/09/2025 11:11

their

EasternStandard · 27/09/2025 11:13

clipboardz · 27/09/2025 11:11

@EasternStandard you come across as very anti labour so who did you vote for in the last election & what growth proposals did you buy into then? so you don't have any opinion on any of the parties and there plans for growth?

You don’t want to answer but expect me to. No thanks. You may have noticed Labour are 70% disapproval and 11% approval. If you are in the latter you are in the minority.

It dips each week so has probably gone down again.

Labraradabrador · 27/09/2025 11:14

I would also think it is a bit rich to give the party in control a pass because ‘cross party’ responsibility. If the solution is borrowing ideas from other camps, it is still the responsibility of the government in power to pull together a cogent strategy that transcends party lines.

Labour were uniquely positioned to make some bold moves, but we’re so focused on not losing another election that they kept themselves as bland as possible and there’s no real mandate (much as they like to bandy that term about) for meaningful change.

SumUp · 27/09/2025 11:14

The problems we face as a nation are not unique to the UK. There are housing crises and cost of living crises across the developed world. There is also conflict in the world currently, and climate factors behind mass migration.

Significant growth is a pipe dream unless the serious underlying problems are addressed.

There is a demographic time bomb in the UK, which politicians have been addressing for years now, by plugging the gaps with immigrant labour - a sticking plaster approach that means they didn’t have to address the structural problems with our economy that is making family life unaffordable for people already settled here. Conservatives and Labour’s actions historically are both to blame.

No policial party wanted to be the one to stop the house price boom via legislation / taxation, piss off the city / international financiers with vested interests in UK property and lose the votes of boomer voters already on the housing ladder.

Consequently, people of an age to have a family are spending a massive chunk of their pay on keeping a roof over their heads. And a huge amount on utilities because they were privatised. Our rail, water, electricity grid, are hollowing out household and UK business finances, whilst making a lot of profit for foreign government shareholders. The profits leave the UK rather than being reinvested to improve the infrastructure.

Venture capital investment has hiked the prices on all sorts of other essentials, from dental care to veterinary care, to food. The sell offs of public services and lack of long term investment have come home to roost, to make it worse for the UK. This should make you angry - we have all been ripped off.

One answer offered is that wages increase, so we can afford to pay more for the essentials, but this would result in further price hikes and even higher profits for these vampire companies. Increasing wages without addressing infrastructure ownership is like giving a blood transfusion to someone with a gushing wound instead of closing the wound.

A lack of skills in the workforce due to poor education policies, ageing power, water and transport infrastructure, Brexit, force business leaders and entreprepreneurs to look at generating value and jobs elsewhere if they are younger, or just pulling the capital out and having a nice retirement. There are just too many additional factors that make running an enterprise too hard a work. Reluctantly, because despite all the problems there is still a lot to love about the UK.

And Reform are definitely not the answer to all this. They genuinely dont have the skills to grapple with these major problems, and are funded by the big finance that caused the problems in the first place. They couldn’t give a toss about your need for housing or a dentist for your kids. A Reform led governent will create more of the instability, that value creating businesses hate. Also more hatred and division.

Much as I dislike Labour at the moment, we are stuck with them for now so we need to hold them accountable. Tell your MP what needs to change so that your family can thrive rather than survive. There is still a big bank of knowledge and skills amongst the main political parties, but they have to be held properly accountable.

OhDear111 · 27/09/2025 11:18

@SumUp The boom of house prices in London is also caused by insufficient building around London. The green belt is protected but some of it is now called grey belt. Lack of housing is exacerbated by divorcing couples wanting 2 houses and immigration plus insufficient building where people want to live at an affordable price for them to pay.

Labraradabrador · 27/09/2025 11:19

chocolate08 · 27/09/2025 10:55

Manifesto pledge tracker on Full Fact here.
https://fullfact.org/government-tracker/
I do think the government should have gone for short term wins as well as the long term, but goodness, there was so much to sort after the Tory chaos and corruption. But millionaire banker man isn't the answer to all the issues here!

I would call that a very generous assessment of a very low bar.

labour never had much of a vision or a strategy in the manifesto, so tracking achievement against that does much to sway my opinion

Timeforabitofpeace · 27/09/2025 11:19

Polls have been shown decisively to be useless.

clipboardz · 27/09/2025 11:19

@EasternStandard But I have answered?

You may have noticed Labour are 70% disapproval and 11% approval.

Why is the above relevant to my question? 😆

Labraradabrador · 27/09/2025 11:22

clipboardz · 27/09/2025 11:19

@EasternStandard But I have answered?

You may have noticed Labour are 70% disapproval and 11% approval.

Why is the above relevant to my question? 😆

Relevant because reform getting in will very much be at the feet of Labour’s incompetence

clipboardz · 27/09/2025 11:22

@SumUp I agree with your post which is why I get so frustrated by the immigration rhetoric. Do you think things can change though?

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