New election poll shows a very divided country!

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Reform on brink of outright majority if election were held today

https://www.thetimes.com/article/53644fbd-d669-446f-bef1-f5db0ceff159?shareToken=f5dd3aab35a7c456e59ff3468d805a8c

That's the trouble with democracy, you sometimes get what other people vote for. I wasn't particularly thrilled with Brexit, or this government, or the last one come to that. But if you support having democratic process you have to lump it if it doesn't go the way you want. Like with free speech, you cannot pick and choose who gets it, or it isn't free speech any more.

I will vote reform because I think they are the only party that will stop mass immigration. And that's enough for me

Also, the next election is probably years away, if a week is a long time in politics, 4 years is an age. Who knows what the issues will be by then, immigration might be the least of our worries.

But if a majority vote Reform, then they're not all 'idiots'. Surely it's just proving that the ones voting elsewhere are probably missing something. And as the others are presumably sticking by the clueless Labour governnent, then it could be argued who are really the idiots here.

There’s a couple of things we should be aware of.

The Heritage Foundation - which brought Project 25 to American politics. People should have a look at Project 25. At least its summary page. Available on the internet. Trump’s Administration is made up of members of Project 25. Despite the fact that he denied knowing what Project 25 was back in 2024 just prior to their election. The Heritage Foundation was at the UK anti immigration rallies. It’s been steadily increasing its network and influence since the early 50s - In America, but also in the UK and in other countries.

Project 25 are connected to British The Henry Jackson Society for example. Farage and others are connected to the HJS.

it’s all worth a quick browse on your search machine.

America’s government is currently setting about destabilizing half the world. At a time when countries should be uniformly working together to minimize the effects of global warming. The single biggest threat to our existence. 97% of Scientists agree on this: The other 3% are overwhelmingly funded by big business to tell us it’s all okay.

I’m old and due to that and illness, I’ll likely not be around to see the beginning of the worst of the climate crisis. But my children will be. And my young grandchildren.

I will vote reform because I think they are the only party that will stop mass immigration. And that's enough for me

So you are a single issue voter. What about the issues of health. Education, housing, inflation, cost of utilities, 1,000,000 children going hungry daily, and so on. As well as the fact that a very few wealthy people are worth more -own more - than 60% of rest of the population - last I looked.

People migrating to Britain doing the jobs that no one else wants is not a problem in my book. They work in the hospitals, they care for the elderly and so on, the taxes they pay go into the public pot just like yours.

@TooTooMuchEverything The media got fixated by Brexit. So we got Brexit. Now it’s immigration so Farage worked out he’d better get on the immigration bandwagon. Sadly we have the one cell brain folk who do follow what the media reports and can only manage to think about one issue. They probably don’t have dc in education and don’t have much wrong with them in terms of using NHS. They have housing and enough cash for booze and a tv with 1000 channels, just in case they miss Trump saying something.

Of course 1,000,000 children don’t go hungry! That’s a gross over exaggeration. 1,000,000 dc don’t have a healthy diet but frankly, I’m not surprised. Unless we have growth in the economy, we will not have more money. If people don’t want to work, they don’t have enough money. Labour govt knows more people should be working but many MPs don’t agree.

Of course 1,000,000 children don’t go hungry! That’s a gross over exaggeration. 1,000,000 dc don’t have a healthy diet but frankly, I’m not surprised. Unless we have growth in the economy, we will not have more money. If people don’t want to work, they don’t have enough money. Labour govt knows more people should be working but many MPs don’t agree.

This is where I got the 1million figure from. ( I was being a bit lazy - especially writing ‘going hungry’ )

British Medical Journal

“The latest data show the alarming reality faced by children in the UK: an average of 2.4 million children a month (or 17% of all children) were living in food insecure homes during 2022-23.1 An additional 10% were living in homes with marginal food security. These figures, collated with reference to experiences over 30 days, reflected a rise of almost a million more children living in homes with marginal food security or worse since 2019-20.

To be perfectly honest, and I’m not sure how many people are truly willing to admit this but I think this country is in such a dire state of ruin that I don’t think any of the political parties are competent enough to improve it. To really get this country back up and running, I think it’s going to take years and a cross party approach.

Also, the anti-immigration rhetoric is so strong now that it’s appealing to the masses… and yet many people are forgetting that you need more than sorting out immigration to run a country. Reform are a shambles and too unestablished a party that I would worry they’d run the country further into the ground, oh but at least we’d get Little England back.

If they win, the blame will lie squarely with the people who chose to vote for a far right shit show.

Farage didn't implement Brexit as he wasn't in power - Boris was and he opened up the door to unfettered immigration from non-eu countries.

You're right, the people who vote Reform aren't all idiots. Some of them understand exactly what they're doing, and they are much worse than the idiots.

The people who know what they're doing are deliberately manipulating and exploiting the idiots. The idiots are the ones that are allowing themselves to be manipulated and exploited. They may feel that things are bad right now under Labour, but they don't have any concept of how much worse things could get under Reform. It will be a shock for them if they actually get what they vote for, but it will be too late by the time they realise.

The majority of the electorate will not vote for Reform. None of the polls suggest that this is likely. However, because of our first past the post system, we could end up with a Reform majority in Parliament. This is a quirk of our system, but I think that the majority of voters in the UK remain horrified at the prospect of a Reform government.

Farage didn't implement Brexit as he wasn't in power - Boris was and he opened up the door to unfettered immigration from non-eu countries.

I was referring to the 350m for the NHS. Are you saying if Farage was in power this would have happened after Brexit?

But if a majority vote Reform, then they're not all 'idiots'. Surely it's just proving that the ones voting elsewhere are probably missing something.

Yes, that's it. The people not voting for Reforn are the dumb ones 😆

How do Reform plan on dealing with immigration?

@GimmieABreakOr3 Absolutely, we need cross party solutions, long term thinking and it will take years. It's been nearly 20 years of low growth. I think a lot of voters want short term fixes though.

People have short memories.

Brexit has been a disaster for this country in many ways, but we don't really see those who voted for it taking any responsibility for the mess that they created. They have just moved on to blaming their problems on immigrants instead.

If Farage is elected and manages to bring immigration down (and I don't think he will find it as easy as he thinks it will be, but who knows what extreme measures he may adopt to get it done), then there will need to be a new target for people to blame for the fact that their lives are shit - particularly as their lives will be shitter than ever by that point. They will not take any responsibility for how they voted, most of them probably won't make the link.

I would guess that the disabled may well come into the firing line next. Or maybe women. Perhaps both.

100%.

I also find it baffling how quickly people are judging Labour as well… after one year… you really can’t sort a country out in such a small amount of time. It’s like running a business, you need time for long term growth.

I would say that people on benefits will come into the firing line. Unemployed working age.

That's kind of what I was thinking when I said that disabled people might be targeted. But of course, benefits more generally as well.

You could argue many of us were manipulated and exploited by the Labour government. Me being one of them. I had voted Tory at the last two elections. Labour were going to fix things. They promised us they would. So I foolishly believed them. Many of us fell for it, and here we are…

I will vote reform because I think they are the only party that will stop mass immigration

And Reform are deliberately mixing all types of immigration. @yellowspanner which immigration do you have an issue with?

Interesting that a Reform council are asking the gov to reconsider plans to end h&s care visas for overseas workers.

Labour were going to fix things. They promised us they would. So I foolishly believed them. Many of us fell for it, and here we are…

I did vote labour, I hoped they could start some changes, however I do think they have tried but the revolt over the winter fuel & benefits makes it very difficult.

Voters don't want immigration, they don't want higher taxes, they don't want failing public services. It doesn't leave any government much room hence why I said we need cross party solutions.

But I didn't vote for labour thinking they could reverse years of low growth in 2 years. I'm not sure that it is even possible at all because of the changing demographics.