New election poll shows a very divided country!

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Reform on brink of outright majority if election were held today

https://www.thetimes.com/article/53644fbd-d669-446f-bef1-f5db0ceff159?shareToken=f5dd3aab35a7c456e59ff3468d805a8c

There seems to be a fair few thinking the same as you

Yes, I agree with you. I think they’ll come after disabled people as well… of course who they should be targeting is large corporations dodging tax! And also self employed people who avoid tax too.

Labour have made some mistakes in office, undoubtedly, but it is absurd that you ever expected them to "fix" the deep-rooted problems created by 14 years of Tory mismanagement - which you helped to perpetuate - after little more than a year in power.

Unbelievable.

I don’t think it’s necessarily about just fixing stuff. It’s about their conduct in the one year they’ve been in power. Rayner, Mandelson. And of course they can absolutely implement fixes quickly. Look at how fast decisions were made on the winter fuel payments, or decisions about welfare reforms (which couldn’t progress because his party voted against it). Or a one in one out immigration policy (again something which is going to have little impact)) It really doesn’t have to take years to fix something that’s wrong, or at least to start beginning to fix something.

why do you feel that way?

Quite

A lot of the electorate need to grow up & wise up. Stop the petty tribal politics & acknowledge this is a much bigger issue.

Unfortunately I just don't think the majority want to listen to reality.

If we could actually see attempts to fix things, it would be good. Already the excuses are being trotted out. They need more than one term in government apparently to correct 14 years of Tory rule. People want to see some progress, or a start. But there’s nothing. Same shit, different leaders. It’s elementary stuff that even posters on these threads have suggested for example the NHS. Top heavy management. Poor money management. So much waste. Red tape. All they do is fudge the figures to make it look like there’s some improvement, when all they’ve done is change the format of the number crunching.

Can you explain why you think anyone could fix the shit show of 14 years of the Torys in the space of 12 months?

Anyone who thinks Reforn will get in and “solve” all the issues asap are falling yet again for Farrages lies. What did Farrages last project- Brexit solve? Absolutely NOTHING.

It will take time and hard work to get this country back on its feet, and “migrants” are NOT the reason we are in this mess!

It has annoyed me that labour back tracked on winter fuel, I know they were heavily criticised for trying to kill off the elderly but that has made them look weak.

The triple lock should absolutely be paused and that money invested elsewhere but any government that suggests this is on their way out.
Unfortunately I feel we are just on a downward spiral now. We never recovered from the 08 crash, the can was kicked down the road and now theres little road left.

Ok but Reform is not the answer!
If they get in there won’t be an NHS. It’s that what you want?

Do you need to ask? Look at the polls for Labour currently. They're obviously not meeting expectations I’m afraid…

They need more than one term in government apparently to correct 14 years of Tory rule. People want to see some progress, or a start

Why didn't anyone demand this from the Tories throughout their tenure?

It's much easier to say that they should have fixed things by now than it is to actually fix them.

I think the people who support Farage are the ones who want simple solutions to complex problems. The trouble is, those simple solutions never actually deliver what they promise. Like Brexit.

I’m happy for a total overhaul of the NHS. We’ve outgrown it in its current format. We might have to look at partial privatisation of our healthcare. How bad does it actually need to get before people will admit defeat? It’s absolutely shocking in all areas.

Perhaps the expectations were unrealistic?

People wanted a magic wand and they didn't get one, so they're now looking for one elsewhere. They won't find one.

I think the people who support Farage are the ones who want simple solutions to complex problems. The trouble is, those simple solutions never actually deliver what they promise. Like Brexit.

That's exactly it. And if Reform do get into power it will be the same as Brexit, waste of time and make us poorer. And we will have another Liz Truss market panic but worse because the finances don't add up.

Voters want to be lied to 🤷🏻‍♀️

They should have. Unfortunately we didn’t have a competent opposition party for many of the 14 years. Specifically looking at putting the clueless Corbyn up against Boris Johnson. A party who thought Corbyn was a good choice for opposition didnt deserve to get in.

@Livelovebehappy And do you think one party can implement in an alternative to the NHS in a few years?

Unfortunately we didn’t have a competent opposition party for many of the 14 years.

And Reform are a competent opposition now? 😆

We might have to look at partial privatisation of our healthcare. How bad does it actually need to get before people will admit defeat?

But what does this actually look like. What system do you want? A European one? that means higher taxes.

They will only have 12 months, apparently. If things aren't fixed by that point, it will be time to move on to the next alternative... that may be an even more extreme option when people realise that Reform can't deliver. It's a scary prospect.

No. It will take a while, but we need to start implementing it now. The NHS is crumbling in plain sight, and it will totally collapse within the next couple of years unless we do something. The NHS in its current format is not fit for purpose. It’s failing us on every level.

The situation the uk faces is not wholly down to Conservative incompetence. Some of our issues have been decades in the making.

The growth agenda has been stopped by the Labour left who think money grows on trees whilst at the same time taxing business even more. The basic knowledge voters need is that business generates wages, employment, and wealth. Poor business confidence and employers go elsewhere, jobs are lost and firms close. Government can only create a proportion of growth and wealth for everyone without taxes from business and non government employees. We spend far more than we earn on the state and have a culture where not earning is seen as normal. This isn’t down to the Tories alone and continually harping on about the previous governments is really trying to divert attention from the here and now and , frankly, childish.

Labour needs to face down their problem MPs (or mayors) and be firm about promoting growth. There are some great projects they are wavering on and it’s not good enough. Ditto reform of benefits and NHS. So many things have been slow burners and nothing much has happened. Reform of planning to get more houses built? It’s producing next to nothing.

As for the electorate - I’ll leave this with you. Around 5% of the electorate had sufficient economic knowledge to understand the pros and cons of Brexit. Far too many just had “feelings” and believed slogans and rhetoric. It’s probably the same for any policy area you care to look at. We are an uneducated electorate and far too many are disengaging because leaders and process is so poor.

Be truthful. Do you think Labour, or any government, are going to be able to fix the NHS within the next four years if they persist with sticking with it as is, with interjection of even more money which doesn't even touch the sides? Money has been poured into it in the last couple of decades, with no improvement, but it’s in fact worsened. Time to call it a day.