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TheNuthatch · 27/09/2025 14:01

PandoraSocks · 27/09/2025 13:55

Thanks. Where is that info from, please?

Just the top of my head. It was spoken about a lot post election for obvious reasons.
Just found this on Labour list. Correct figure for Labour seats is 89.
https://labourlist.org/2024/12/reform-uk-labour-target-seats-2029/

Revealed: Labour’s most marginal seats against Reform UK – LabourList

Following Reform UK’s breakthrough in Parliament at the general election, Nigel Farage has Labour firmly in his sights on all fronts. With Labour dipping in…

https://labourlist.org/2024/12/reform-uk-labour-target-seats-2029/

PandoraSocks · 27/09/2025 14:03

TheNuthatch · 27/09/2025 14:01

Just the top of my head. It was spoken about a lot post election for obvious reasons.
Just found this on Labour list. Correct figure for Labour seats is 89.
https://labourlist.org/2024/12/reform-uk-labour-target-seats-2029/

Thanks, Nuthatch. I also found this map, which is quite interesting:

https://worldmapper.org/maps/uk-general-election-2024-second-placed-parties/

TheNuthatch · 27/09/2025 14:04

Here you go @PandoraSocks
Reform came 2nd in 98 constituencies overall.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/2024-general-election-performance-of-reform-and-the-greens/

PandoraSocks · 27/09/2025 14:14

TheNuthatch · 27/09/2025 14:04

Here you go @PandoraSocks
Reform came 2nd in 98 constituencies overall.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/2024-general-election-performance-of-reform-and-the-greens/

Reform came second place in 98 constituencies. In 89 of these cases, it was second to Labour. 60 of these were in the north of England and 13 were in Wales.

In comparison, the Brexit Party came in second place in three constituencies in 2019, while UKIP came second in 120 constituencies in 2015.

I wonder what would have happened if Farage hadn't stood candidates down in 2019...

MsJinks · 27/09/2025 14:24

Livelovebehappy · 27/09/2025 09:48

Stopping boats isn’t bigotry, it’s common sense. You’re taking out of context about kicking people out of the country who have right to remain. The rest is nonsense. Are you canvassing/lobbying your MP to sort out the Labour Party? That’s a good starting point if you don’t want Reform in power. Going on SM calling voters bigots and racists is not going to achieve anything. But actually being proactive to get the current leadership to improve and listen to the electorate might.

Stopping boats isn’t going to happen - not Rishi, not Starmer and not Farage. Migration has always happened and will always happen, particularly from unliveable places. I think Farage himself retracted the stop the boats and said it couldn’t be done quickly at least (I think).
He has, however, looked at more feasible ways of reducing the pesky migrants - change ILR retrospectively for example.
If this is worth putting all your rights on a bonfire for then fill your boots and vote for a grifter who will barely turn up in parliament let alone do the hard boring work - once he’s managed to sell the NHS to his US paymasters then he’ll be back to disrupting the country for his Russian ones - or whoever - he’s a disruptor and sadly good at it - I’m sure he gets paid well for his skill - but he couldn’t give 2 hoots whether you will ever get paid well enough to afford reduced pension, no childcare help, disability support, or your own healthcare.
I can’t stop you, or anyone, voting for whom you please, and I wouldn’t want to - Mr Farage might though once they’re in power - see Trump.
And yes, l will be bloody angry at people who vote to ruin my kids’ and grandkids’ futures - yet again. And I won’t be blaming other parties, of which there are many - not just Tories and Labour- I will be particularly blaming those who are bright, knowledgeable and still vote this way, either on a smug ‘I’m alright Jack’ basis, or a wilfully ignorant refusal to see what the party stands for basis, and most of all any who do vote on a nasty racist basis. Sick of letting it just ride.

Freud2 · 27/09/2025 14:30

Parker231 · 27/09/2025 08:53

How do Reform plan on dealing with immigration?

Getting rid of the ECHR and detaining and deporting all illegal immigrants.

EasternStandard · 27/09/2025 14:30

MsJinks · 27/09/2025 14:24

Stopping boats isn’t going to happen - not Rishi, not Starmer and not Farage. Migration has always happened and will always happen, particularly from unliveable places. I think Farage himself retracted the stop the boats and said it couldn’t be done quickly at least (I think).
He has, however, looked at more feasible ways of reducing the pesky migrants - change ILR retrospectively for example.
If this is worth putting all your rights on a bonfire for then fill your boots and vote for a grifter who will barely turn up in parliament let alone do the hard boring work - once he’s managed to sell the NHS to his US paymasters then he’ll be back to disrupting the country for his Russian ones - or whoever - he’s a disruptor and sadly good at it - I’m sure he gets paid well for his skill - but he couldn’t give 2 hoots whether you will ever get paid well enough to afford reduced pension, no childcare help, disability support, or your own healthcare.
I can’t stop you, or anyone, voting for whom you please, and I wouldn’t want to - Mr Farage might though once they’re in power - see Trump.
And yes, l will be bloody angry at people who vote to ruin my kids’ and grandkids’ futures - yet again. And I won’t be blaming other parties, of which there are many - not just Tories and Labour- I will be particularly blaming those who are bright, knowledgeable and still vote this way, either on a smug ‘I’m alright Jack’ basis, or a wilfully ignorant refusal to see what the party stands for basis, and most of all any who do vote on a nasty racist basis. Sick of letting it just ride.

It is possible, difficult but doable. Other countries have interrupted it even whilst part of the 1951 convention.

Parker231 · 27/09/2025 14:35

Freud2 · 27/09/2025 14:30

Getting rid of the ECHR and detaining and deporting all illegal immigrants.

Getting rid of the ECHR breaches the GFA and means a loss of a significant amount of benefits. Reform haven’t said how they will detain and deport.

MsJinks · 27/09/2025 15:00

EasternStandard · 27/09/2025 14:30

It is possible, difficult but doable. Other countries have interrupted it even whilst part of the 1951 convention.

It can be interrupted I think but by safe/legal routes opening up, foreign aid increased, getting back to sharing info with EU (Europol) though mainly through taking a more globally combined approach to people dispossessed - not that this latter would happen I know!

EasternStandard · 27/09/2025 15:12

MsJinks · 27/09/2025 15:00

It can be interrupted I think but by safe/legal routes opening up, foreign aid increased, getting back to sharing info with EU (Europol) though mainly through taking a more globally combined approach to people dispossessed - not that this latter would happen I know!

I don’t think anywhere has resolved the issue with safe routes and it won’t be proposed mostly because the demand would be too high.

And the requirement for foreign aid to fix it is also not reachable.

MsJinks · 27/09/2025 15:25

EasternStandard · 27/09/2025 15:12

I don’t think anywhere has resolved the issue with safe routes and it won’t be proposed mostly because the demand would be too high.

And the requirement for foreign aid to fix it is also not reachable.

Could be some of a raft of measures - but everything that is stopped is then got around- eg/ Lorries pretty much aren’t used now but boats are.
We should be honest that globally things are getting harder for more people and they will naturally seek safety. Yes, that may impact on other countries but we have the benefits of globalisation we need to take on the responsibility too - and find a working solution - and remain a humane society.

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 27/09/2025 15:34

clipboardz · 27/09/2025 10:18

@Labraradabrador how is everyone poorer because of labour and why do you think that's why people voted for labour?

How is everyone poorer because of Labour ?
Not this Labour, but Blair/Brown.
Their benefits for so many has fucked up the country.

BIossomtoes · 27/09/2025 15:48

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 27/09/2025 15:34

How is everyone poorer because of Labour ?
Not this Labour, but Blair/Brown.
Their benefits for so many has fucked up the country.

So why didn’t successive Tory governments overturn “their benefits for so many” during the 14 years they were in power?

WatchThisGladys · 27/09/2025 15:53

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 27/09/2025 15:34

How is everyone poorer because of Labour ?
Not this Labour, but Blair/Brown.
Their benefits for so many has fucked up the country.

Most people on benefits are either pensioners or workers who aren't paid enough to live on. I feel that the solution must involve large corporations paying more, either directly to their employees or in tax. If a corporation is making a billion pounds profit a year, yet some of its employees can't afford to support themselves, then something is wrong.

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 27/09/2025 15:58

SumUp · 27/09/2025 11:14

The problems we face as a nation are not unique to the UK. There are housing crises and cost of living crises across the developed world. There is also conflict in the world currently, and climate factors behind mass migration.

Significant growth is a pipe dream unless the serious underlying problems are addressed.

There is a demographic time bomb in the UK, which politicians have been addressing for years now, by plugging the gaps with immigrant labour - a sticking plaster approach that means they didn’t have to address the structural problems with our economy that is making family life unaffordable for people already settled here. Conservatives and Labour’s actions historically are both to blame.

No policial party wanted to be the one to stop the house price boom via legislation / taxation, piss off the city / international financiers with vested interests in UK property and lose the votes of boomer voters already on the housing ladder.

Consequently, people of an age to have a family are spending a massive chunk of their pay on keeping a roof over their heads. And a huge amount on utilities because they were privatised. Our rail, water, electricity grid, are hollowing out household and UK business finances, whilst making a lot of profit for foreign government shareholders. The profits leave the UK rather than being reinvested to improve the infrastructure.

Venture capital investment has hiked the prices on all sorts of other essentials, from dental care to veterinary care, to food. The sell offs of public services and lack of long term investment have come home to roost, to make it worse for the UK. This should make you angry - we have all been ripped off.

One answer offered is that wages increase, so we can afford to pay more for the essentials, but this would result in further price hikes and even higher profits for these vampire companies. Increasing wages without addressing infrastructure ownership is like giving a blood transfusion to someone with a gushing wound instead of closing the wound.

A lack of skills in the workforce due to poor education policies, ageing power, water and transport infrastructure, Brexit, force business leaders and entreprepreneurs to look at generating value and jobs elsewhere if they are younger, or just pulling the capital out and having a nice retirement. There are just too many additional factors that make running an enterprise too hard a work. Reluctantly, because despite all the problems there is still a lot to love about the UK.

And Reform are definitely not the answer to all this. They genuinely dont have the skills to grapple with these major problems, and are funded by the big finance that caused the problems in the first place. They couldn’t give a toss about your need for housing or a dentist for your kids. A Reform led governent will create more of the instability, that value creating businesses hate. Also more hatred and division.

Much as I dislike Labour at the moment, we are stuck with them for now so we need to hold them accountable. Tell your MP what needs to change so that your family can thrive rather than survive. There is still a big bank of knowledge and skills amongst the main political parties, but they have to be held properly accountable.

Absolutely bang on in everything you have said.
Why can’t more people see this.

WatchThisGladys · 27/09/2025 16:13

Consequently, people of an age to have a family are spending a massive chunk of their pay on keeping a roof over their heads. And a huge amount on utilities because they were privatised. Our rail, water, electricity grid, are hollowing out household and UK business finances, whilst making a lot of profit for foreign government shareholders. The profits leave the UK rather than being reinvested to improve the infrastructure.

Venture capital investment has hiked the prices on all sorts of other essentials, from dental care to veterinary care, to food. The sell offs of public services and lack of long term investment have come home to roost, to make it worse for the UK. This should make you angry - we have all been ripped off.

Your post is very interesting. I've noticed much of the above happening. How do we tackle it though? I know you said to write to our MPs, but my MP isn't Labour and probably won't have the power to do much. Is there anything else we could do?

Julen7 · 27/09/2025 16:14

BIossomtoes · 27/09/2025 15:48

So why didn’t successive Tory governments overturn “their benefits for so many” during the 14 years they were in power?

Because it would have been unpopular. Still is and that’s why no govt wants to tackle it and the problem just gets worse and worse.

BIossomtoes · 27/09/2025 16:47

Julen7 · 27/09/2025 16:14

Because it would have been unpopular. Still is and that’s why no govt wants to tackle it and the problem just gets worse and worse.

It would have been extremely popular with Tory voters. 🤷‍♀️

EasternStandard · 27/09/2025 16:56

MsJinks · 27/09/2025 15:25

Could be some of a raft of measures - but everything that is stopped is then got around- eg/ Lorries pretty much aren’t used now but boats are.
We should be honest that globally things are getting harder for more people and they will naturally seek safety. Yes, that may impact on other countries but we have the benefits of globalisation we need to take on the responsibility too - and find a working solution - and remain a humane society.

Can you say more about what you envisage? I’m interested. How many people would be accommodated roughly in your view

ArthriticOldLabrador · 27/09/2025 16:57

If the mainstream parties had been willing to tackle the issue of mass immigration there would have been no need for the Reform movement.

Instead it somehow became unacceptable to discuss or debate it for fear of being branded racist- that is until Nigel stuck his head above the parapet.

He is now called far right by those who still don’t want to address it, but it mass immigration is a concern for many of all political persuasions.

38thparallel · 27/09/2025 17:23

1,000,000 children going hungry daily, and so on.

I don’t know if this figure is accurate, but for many children who go hungry the cause will be a parent/parents who are alcoholics or addicts or compulsive gamblers.
These addictions have wrecked families’ lives since the beginning of time and In many countries the easy access to drugs has made the problem even worse.
No government - or anyone else for that matter - has found a solution.

38thparallel · 27/09/2025 17:26

@GimmieABreakOr3
of course who they should be targeting is large corporations dodging tax!

How do you suggest this is done? Don’t you think if UK government could make large corporations pay more tax they would be doing so?

OhDear111 · 27/09/2025 17:44

@ArthriticOldLabrador I’m waiting for those with the concern to do the jobs the immigrants do! It’s about time there was a reality check. We are such a stupid nation.

MsJinks · 27/09/2025 18:45

EasternStandard · 27/09/2025 16:56

Can you say more about what you envisage? I’m interested. How many people would be accommodated roughly in your view

Well having that conversation with the public - spelling out some facts around immigration and people seeking asylum. There is a lot of misinformation about legal/illegal, numbers/costs and that is like starting a big maths problem from the basis 2 add 2 equals 5 to my mind.
More info, for example I’m really not sure people understand Afghans fought/translated alongside the British Army and we assured them safety , plus other countries did similar and took more. Nor that we ran a rushed (small) resettlement scheme with no time to house them helping overfill hotels. Or that we have Ukrainians in hotels pending asylum claims or having lost their original sponsor.
Dealing with the backlog of asylum claims - putting money back into ESOL funding and integration schemes so everyone understands expectations and realities on all sides and just get to know each other - stop the fear and isolation.
Boost and target foreign aid.
Work more closely with the EU and get access to Europol again.
Open safe/legal routes up.
Cut back on Tory mates’ hotel scams and don’t pay ridiculous amounts to house/taxi people when a bit of thought and planning would resolve some of that.
Invest in running the whole immigration system efficiently, eg/don’t refuse a visa, leave it 9 years and then follow up, don’t leave illegal working to carry on as it is easier/suits someone (I’m sure the black market suits someone/gov’t as it’s never clamped down on).
Deal with claims/applications quickly, and properly, from end to end - get appeal tribunals caught up to date and ensure anyone leaves in whatever timeframe if that is the outcome. Invest in voluntary returns process and stop people not daring to ask for help from immigration enforcement or other branches.
Personally I think the whole world should have a chat and find a way to stop bombing other countries, start supporting countries/areas in need and work out equitable as possible support for those who have to flee their home country - obviously that can’t happen. But I think it’s important to our society to maintain integrity and humanity and do the best possible - I think we definitely fail at being honest/transparent and have not learned lessons on integration (or lack of) from the Windrush generation.
Just a few thoughts thrown out - but probably needs an ideal world for it to improve or something.

Papyrophile · 27/09/2025 20:25

I agree to a point with you, and I also disagree. I don't think Farage can magic a better version of real life, and he does definitely speak to a sizeable chunk of the UK population. I am just not seeing (and I am looking) a sensible, plausible fair version of government and taxation for the UK.

DH and I were, in our early 30s, in the 1990s, a new couple. I had come from London and NYC and DH from the ME and the army. We hit it off. We are still together, although there have been several health crises in between, and now we would like to settle. We are never going to choose to live anywhere ethnic, because we are white and middle class. But we do love the food and culture and cricket.

While I am never ever going to vote for Farage, I'd like to find a version of English that looks outward cheerfully.

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