Left wingers seem as bad as right wingers

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I’ve seen so many people this last week who see themselves as such “right on” virtuous people posting the most horrible things on social media.

One replied to a post about Charlie Kirk, it was basically a “sorry not sorry” post because he’s so hateful. When asked by someone if she’s actually seen any of his debates she said she didn’t need to, the facts are there that he was basically a fascist who incites violence. FWIW I’ve watched several of his videos since seeing her post today and seen nothing that suggests this, even though I don’t agree with his opinion on many things (but apparently he’s doing it in code, whatever that means)

Another friend was ranting about the protest in London and using really horrible terms to describe people that went. I hate what the flags have come to represent, and I don’t doubt that there were many thugs there just wanting to stir up hate. Surely though, describing all who went to the protest as the same (basically they’re all thick as shit racist hooligans) is no better than someone describing all immigrants as benefit chasing potential rapists (or insert any other racist stereotype)

Am I missing something? Or is it considered acceptable to make sweeping generalisations as long as you’re on the left side of the political spectrum?

In YOUR opinion only, as evidence points to the contrary.

Far right extremist murders Labour MP Jo Cox. Leftie calls someone on FR not very bright. So much worse.

Forgot also FRE who drove into Muslim worshippers outside a mosque. Leftie says they’re happy the bad man got shot. Sorry who is worse?

No-one knows if the person who did the shooting aligns with the left or the right - we do know he was brought up in a Republican household. And certain sections of population both here and in the US have lost their collective minds over it.

Where was the shock and horror at the murders of Melissa and Mark Hortman? Or is it that because they were democrats they don't get statues at the Capitol, state funerals, announcements from the president.

What happened to Kirk was appalling, but that doesn't mean some of his awful behaviours and opinions should be overlooked. He's no candidate for sainthood.

Tbh, far left and far right are the very close ends of a horseshoe.

Oh yeah and the FRE Norwegian who went on the rampage shooting dozens of youths at a summer camp.

I am all for free speech. What I am not in favour of is using spiteful words of hate to describe someone you don't agree with.

What is 'far right'? What 'far left'? What is fascism? There is no one alive in the western democratic world who can be calls a fascist.

A fascist is someone who kills everyone else except the people they like. Hitler did that. He killed everyone who was not of what he considered of 'pure Arian stock'. He killed disabled Germans - particularly with genetic diseases. He killed gypsies, but most he was responsible for killing millions of Jews all over Europe. The only people who are doing that at the moment are Hamas, who have declared ''We will kill all Jews wherever in the world they are''. That is why they invaded Israel and took hundreds of hostages into captivity.

Those words were first used over 100 years ago. They should stay there. In 1917 there was a Russian revolution and the Bolsheviks came to power, full of grand ideas about socialism, where everyone had the same and lived equally with one another. It turned out they were the same - poor, starving, out of work, hopeless. They took the wealth and it wasn't enough to go round. They took over the palaces and estates, but even putting one family a room, there still was not enough housing. They took the industries, but there was no money to run them, so people had no work. It was worse than socialism, and Stalin made it even worse: far left of socialism.

After the Great War Hitler was disillusioned with the peace. More died from flu in 1918 than in the war. Then there were strikes, and then the Wall Street Crash, and it was easy for Hitler to convince the Germans that it was all the fault of the Jews, and Germany would be so much better if they were all killed, along with disabled German children and adults, and anyone else who did not match up to the 'pure Arian race' Hitler thought Germany should be. Only those would be allowed to live, and a big new pure Germany would be the result.

Fascism.

Britain stood alone to fight the nazis. Britons fought and died, civilians lived and died, and all under the banners of the union flag, and every November we honour their name and their sacrifices. We are still waving the union flag and standing up to freedom, allowing no one to take it from us. We fought Hitler because we believed that killing off people that were not a certain grade was wrong.

Nationalism.

Now, for some reason there are people who have never learned the meanings of those words, never understood what went on, either because they were not interested or just had their own ideas. Their history books, if they opened them, tell them that Hitler was a fascist and hated by the world, so that when they hate someone they call them fascist.

They cannot learn that if someone says something you don't agree with calling them names is not the answer, especially not names that others pick up on and spread the hate. What is wrong with saying you don't agree with what is said, and putting your own view forward?

Nothing, but it doesn't have the same hysterical support 'far right,' 'far left' and 'nazi' and 'fascist' have. 100 year old words, 100 years ago they meant something. Now they do not in the western democratic world. We don't say ''thee'' and ''thou'' any more, yet they are not that much older than the others.

In the western world there is no place for those words. If the use of those words by people too pig ignorant to understand what they are saying continues, there will be more marches and counter marches, and more murders like Charlie Kirk.

Whoever these people are who are trying to impose these expressions on others are wrong to do so. They know full well the difference between nationalism under the country's flag, They call people 'far right' and fascist' who honour the flag because it stirs others up. It has nothing to do with reality, or truth, or anything other than an effort to cause civic unrest.

They are an unfortunate product of our wilting education system.

We do know though, don't we? Someone didn't write on the cartridges for nothing.

What is wrong with the world is that there are a class of people who think they can kill anyone they don't agree with. Hitler did that. He was a fascist. The stupid thing about all this is that if you kill people you don't agree with, you end up being a fascist, wanting to rid the world of anyone who holds a different view.

Putin killed his opponents. Erdogan imprisoned thousands of his. Assad killed the people who didn't vote for him by way of a civil war. The Taliban killed everyone they could who did not ascribe to their type of Islam. Iran killed hundreds of women because they didn't wear their clothes in a certain way. Hamas got the IDF to kill of their opposition by invading Israel and taking hundreds of prisoners, knowing that the IDF would go straight in and rescue them. The Hamas fighters (the Hamas government is in exile so it is martial law in Gaza) are using the Palestinians who opposed them in the election as a shield. The thousands of Palestinians who have been killed did not vote for Hamas in the elections. They did what Assad did in Syria.

Those people who for reasons best known to themselves call themselves far left (of what you may ask) are, by killing people (and politicians, because it is a political murder) are actually doing what all those have done, and what Hitler did, which makes them the only people who can be labelled fascist, only they don't realise it. Perhaps when they do, they will stop using it.

Wouldn't a debate between the taxpayer and the non-taxpayer be interesting?

The trouble is, that when it comes to political murder, it does.

Is it a lack of education? Are we not giving everyone the chance to say what they think? Should there be more debates, with a healthy sprinkling of all ideas in the room? Do we give enough opportunities to speak to those who are less able physically or mentally? Do we ignore the poor? Are meetings with debates too expensive for some to express their views?

Is it lack of education, lack of opportunity, some health problems which stop people who want to be heard from having their say?

Is it those people who are shooting down anyone they don't agree with, or are they being manipulated by a stronger influence, and should we not be looking for that stronger influence rather than settling for the pawns?

Right wingers love statues.

Frustration is the new politics. We have had 14 years of incompetent Tories. Labour are trying to fix things but they are up against an allmost total right wing press. Right wingers from USA are stirring things up to suit their right wing agenda. Farage is dystopia.

Nah, we're just calling the right out for what they are.
Ignorant, hateful and about to vote the country into ruin.... again.

They haven't.

Speaking only for America: No, sorry, not in any way, shape or form.

The violent rhetoric come mostly, and most viciously, from the right. The true violence comes mostly, and most viciously, from the right.

There's a very interesting story out that the U.S. Department of Justice did a study showing the vast disparity, proving how much worse the right-wingers are ... and the Trump administration removed the information from the website.

people.com/department-of-justice-quietly-deletes-study-after-charlie-kirk-death-that-says-right-wing-extremists-engage-in-far-more-political-violence-11811580

I think the left are worse. They going searching for anyone and everyone who might have made a mistake in their lives, or one they made 20 years ago, and then set about systematically trying to destroy their careers, family etc. a “mistake” can simply be not agreeing with the left wing, virtue signalling brigade. They preach tolerance, but offer zero grace to anyone who strays from their own views.

I think the main problem at the moment, is that the centre left have moved so far to the left, that the silent majority who were in the centre now get categorised as far right. That silent majority are now fed up.

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Whereas the loving right go after people who made the mistake of having their child killed in a mass shooting at a school. Then they doxx them, call them crisis actors, send them death threats, and say that the worst thing that ever happened in their lives was fake.

No. Fascism is a far-right, ultranationalist political ideology and movement that emphasizes extreme loyalty to the nation (often above the individual or other groups) dictatorial leadership, forcible suppression of opposition, and centralised control over society and the economy.
It originated in early 20th century Europe, most notably with Benito Mussolini's regime in Italy, and shares core traits like militarism, a rejection of liberal democracy, and the glorification of a mythical national past or hierarchy.
There's no single, universally agreed-upon definition because it evolved across contexts (e.g., Italian Fascism vs. Nazism, which added explicit racial elements), but its generally accepted that it involves at its core; authoritarianism, nationalism, and anti-egalitarianism.
The idea of fascism as "someone that kills everyone they don’t like" is way way too simplistic, whilst it captures the violent tendencies (like state-sponsored terror against perceived enemies) it misses the ideological framework. Regimes like Mussolini's or Hitler's did use mass violence, genocide, and purges as tools to enforce conformity, but fascism isn't defined by random killing; it's a structured worldview that justifies such acts through appeals to national rebirth, racial or cultural purity, and the leader's infallible will. In short, it's much more of an ideology an aspirational "ideal" for its adherents about remaking society under a strong, unified state than just a personality trait or isolated brutality. That said, in practice, it almost always leads to authoritarian repression and war.
In America Trump has repeatedly called for the cancelling of Kimmel, Colbert and Fallon. From a fascist lens, this could be seen as suppressing oppositional media which is a hallmark of fascist regimes that used state or proxy pressure to silence critics and enforce narrative control. The Trump administration has aggressively pursued policies targeting "woke" or "ideological" materials in public and federal institutions, often framed as protecting "American values" from "indoctrination." They ordered the removal of books from several libraries, like Maya Angelou’s Caged Bird whilst allowing Hitlers Mein Kampf to remain. They threaten universities with defunding, if they feel that it doesn’t align with the ideology. When journalists used the term “gulf of Mexico” and not the approved language of the regime, Trump threatened to cancel any access. These actions don't make the administration fully fascist, but they align with fascist tendencies toward authoritarian control over discourse, especially when paired with ultranationalist rhetoric.
In the UK the flag marches were driven by the far right and whipping up dangerous anti immigrant hatred. Whilst Nazi Germany targeted Jewish people, now it’s the demonising of Muslim people. The protestors were aggressive towards Asian people and also intimidating to women ( singing “get your tits out for the lads”) These type of marches normalise prejudice by associating national symbols with anti-immigrant hostility, making minority communities (Muslims, South Asians) feel unsafe. There were numerous council leaders who reported “intimidating" atmospheres in diverse neighborhoods. I actually feel shame to see my nations flag being used like this, I want to feel proud of my country and I do, to some extent, but events like this sicken me. I understand people are concerned by immigration but behaving as the protesters did was sickening and shameful. These protesters that bang on about protecting “our women” from immigrants but 2 in 5 (40%) arrested in the Farage riots had previous convictions for domestic violence.

in the modern world in country after country the left are now worse look all around the world.

Left, right we’re all people. Some are kind and loving, some like to “other” people different to them, then attack.

And this post demonstrates just how out of touch the left really is. Responsibility is unfortunately an alien concept to most leftists as if it were something they could understood we wouldn't have any problems.

Apparently if you advocate for people to not kill their babies you are killing women and causing poverty. The mental gymnastics is impressive I must admit.

[citation needed]

And your response shows why the right have got a reputation of willfully ignoring actual facts and data. And to be clear, I dont believe every right wing person is that way. But honestly, there's so much data to show that lack of abortion care leads to these outcomes and just telling women to close their legs didn't work to change those outcomes, providing abortion care did. There's SO MUCH documented historical data on this.
But in the interest of understanding your point of view, what would you see as a way forward in this scenario? I'd be grateful if you'd be willing to share. I have tried to research this but have struggled to find anything conclusive.

Abortion care removed.
Poverty and death increases as a result.
You tell people to take responsibility for themselves.
They dont.
Poverty and death continue.
What do you see as being the next step?

I think you are referring to maybe 0.1% and the far, far right. The same point can equally be said of the Left, but I think the thread is mainly about the majority of left or right, rather than the fringe lunatics. Thanks for being tolerant to my view though, and I appreciate you accidentally reinforcing my points by your aggressive post, which no surprise, points straight to extremism to smear an entire mass group. If I did the same with Muslims and Islam it would rightly be racist and untrue. The same applies to the right.