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Charlie Kirk's beliefs

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MsAmerica · 15/09/2025 02:29

If You're Wondering What Charlie Kirk Believed In, Here Are 14 Real Quotes
In light of his death, Charlie Kirk's legacy is being remembered through these viral quotes.
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https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexalisitza/viral-charlie-kirk-quotes

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dwordle · 15/09/2025 13:10

It's fine to share his beliefs doesn't make you a bad person. But please remember that those views might offend so before you talk to someone about them take the time to respect their feelings and consider whether they want to hear your opinions. I say that because standing up and being controversial can offend

My point is that he was a self proclaimed Christian but those views aren't those shared by traditional Christians. Think about the work of Jesus, a humble person who forgiveness was natural. If Jesus walked the earth today, how would he be received by the likes of Trump. I think they would lock him up or deport him. Do you think Jesus would refuse to accept people of different faith, sexual preferences.....no he would embrace all...good and bad.

Might me being cynical but I believe being controversial was an easy for way this guy to make a good living. The more controversial the more media the more money.... horrible to say it but being normal wouldn't have got him that publicity. The guy was highly educated, articulate and took advantage of many people as he broke peoples arguments down in public. I'm not a fan and ultimately it was that fame that also stoked hatred. A young vulnerable man from an average home takes a gun and murders another person because he has taken a dislike to him. This is not normal behaviour, and we should not be so angry about it...we should actually be thinking how do we stop this happening again....how do we help young men to stop them doing things like this... blaming liberals is just whipping up more hate

weearrows · 15/09/2025 13:14

BananaPeels · 15/09/2025 13:01

i don’t think I’ve ever met a person in my entire life where I have agreed with all their views on everything or disagreed with them on everything.

I liked how Charlie Kirk came across. I think he had a wonderful demeanour and came across as exceedingly kind. I agreed with some of the premises he advocated for but others, whilst I understood where he was coming from, I didn’t agree. But boy I would have loved to have debated with him. I love a good, robust, calm debate.

it is very obvious that the clips maligning him were out of context. I don’t think he ever said anything offensive or even deeply controversial.They were just his conservative Christian views and he would defend them and listen to the opposing view.

we need this in society which is why I’m dreadfully sad he’s no longer with us.

I agree wholeheartedly with this.

FrippEnos · 15/09/2025 13:16

CantCallItLove · 15/09/2025 12:00

When you say 'word salad' do you just mean you didn't understand it? It was a perfectly clear post.

Nope, I meant word salad.

Thanks for playing.

BananaPeels · 15/09/2025 13:18

CantCallItLove · 15/09/2025 13:07

Conservative Christian views can be offensive and controversial. Very clearly, Kirk's comments on abortion and women's rights were offensive to many and controversial too. They arose from right-wing evangelical Christian views and are rooted in deep misogyny. This is not to say all Christians are misogynists, but to say that the Christian right in America who are pursuing abortion bans and trying to roll back women's rights are indeed misogynistic. They are also not 'exceedingly kind'. Kirk was a clean, well presented, articulate face of an agenda that poses an existential threat to women's rights.

For clarity, I am not endorsing his murder nor am I celebrating it. I would like people to be very aware of Kirk's misogyny and the misogyny of the particular brand of American right-wing Christianity that he was a part of.

Ok but the opposite viewpoint is offensive to many too. Lots of people are pro life for instance. When people start determining that they have the ‘correct’ view on society and everything else in society’s wrong then that is the definition of fascism!

I don’t agree with all his viewpoints - but I would absolutely advocate for him to have them. That is the point of respectful debate .

BananaPeels · 15/09/2025 13:21

TheClaaaw · 15/09/2025 13:04

I’m sure many in Iran and Afghanistan would defend their views as “just their conservative Islamic views”. This doesn’t constitute any kind of rational justification/ defence of their position, rather speaks to their irrationality and lack of critical thought.

Conservative Islamic views are allowable in a democratic society. I don’t agree with them and would absolutely debate someone who held them.

Debating views and exchanging ideas is a good thing- imposing and oppressing people because of them is not. That’s the difference. Charlie Kirk never imposed his view on anyone. He expressed it and opened it up to challenge. Don’t think the regimes of Iran and Afghanistan do that!

FrippEnos · 15/09/2025 13:26

BoredZelda · 15/09/2025 12:19

‘No-one forces you” shows a deep misunderstanding of how social media algorithms work. Nobody is tied to a chair and made to watch, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t force fed a narrative through social media that aligns with his, which supports his, and will include his content. He is canonised by Trump and that team specifically because he was very successful at engaging people through social media. You could say no one is forced to be on social media, but given how widespread it is, and how many billions of views are on it, you really think that has been an active choice of people who engage with it? You think we all woke up one day and said “if only I could see daily videos of dogs cronching lettuce”?

To deny what he spent his entire adult life doing, is to deny the essence of who he was. You think he’d want people saying “well, he didn’t really think those things or say those things”

There isn’t a left wing version of him. That’s been a major problem.

Another "you don't understand" posts.

Yes I understand how algorithms work. Thank you for your attempt at mansplaining it.

Yes there is a major problem with how views are being aligned and pushed on to people, but this isn't just from (I will say) one side (as saying anything else is labelling).
Its no different form the pushing of trans "rights" and canceling others views.

As to
To deny what he spent his entire adult life doing, is to deny the essence of who he was. You think he’d want people saying “well, he didn’t really think those things or say those things”

If people were putting forward his views as he meant them, then I wouldn't be here pointing out that they are being twisted.

There isn’t a left wing version of him. That’s been a major problem.

There are left wing versions of him. There are many TV shows that push only left wing ideologies as there are right wing only shows.

The problem are the ones that keep trying to shutdown any debate.

Booneymil · 15/09/2025 13:26

I still feel sad that he got killed. So pointless

And his children now have no dad

weearrows · 15/09/2025 13:35

TheClaaaw · 15/09/2025 13:04

I’m sure many in Iran and Afghanistan would defend their views as “just their conservative Islamic views”. This doesn’t constitute any kind of rational justification/ defence of their position, rather speaks to their irrationality and lack of critical thought.

I would still argue those views should be allowed to exist. I think they should be combatted with solid counter arguments and if we truly teach young people to ‘think critically’ (can you tell I’m a 90s uni grad?!), in time, those views will be seen for what they are.

BananaPeels · 15/09/2025 13:39

dwordle · 15/09/2025 13:10

It's fine to share his beliefs doesn't make you a bad person. But please remember that those views might offend so before you talk to someone about them take the time to respect their feelings and consider whether they want to hear your opinions. I say that because standing up and being controversial can offend

My point is that he was a self proclaimed Christian but those views aren't those shared by traditional Christians. Think about the work of Jesus, a humble person who forgiveness was natural. If Jesus walked the earth today, how would he be received by the likes of Trump. I think they would lock him up or deport him. Do you think Jesus would refuse to accept people of different faith, sexual preferences.....no he would embrace all...good and bad.

Might me being cynical but I believe being controversial was an easy for way this guy to make a good living. The more controversial the more media the more money.... horrible to say it but being normal wouldn't have got him that publicity. The guy was highly educated, articulate and took advantage of many people as he broke peoples arguments down in public. I'm not a fan and ultimately it was that fame that also stoked hatred. A young vulnerable man from an average home takes a gun and murders another person because he has taken a dislike to him. This is not normal behaviour, and we should not be so angry about it...we should actually be thinking how do we stop this happening again....how do we help young men to stop them doing things like this... blaming liberals is just whipping up more hate

with all due respect I find that first paragraph quite frightening. You don’t have the right in a democratic society to be shielded from views you don’t like. You are welcome to go live off grid away from any media and not be exposed to alternative viewpoints that you don’t like but no one should have to be checking with anyone else to make sure that they are open to hearing them. You don’t like them- absolutely fine but your choice is to ignore or debate.

Ricky Gervais spoke brilliantly about the right to offend. Worth watching him.

Booneymil · 15/09/2025 13:42

I didnt like what he said yet i feel terribly sad about it.

Its like the death of free speech. We should be allowed to say what we want!

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 15/09/2025 13:43

BananaPeels · 15/09/2025 13:39

with all due respect I find that first paragraph quite frightening. You don’t have the right in a democratic society to be shielded from views you don’t like. You are welcome to go live off grid away from any media and not be exposed to alternative viewpoints that you don’t like but no one should have to be checking with anyone else to make sure that they are open to hearing them. You don’t like them- absolutely fine but your choice is to ignore or debate.

Ricky Gervais spoke brilliantly about the right to offend. Worth watching him.

Edited

Do you think that the right to offend extends to those people on social media who were less than sympathetic about Charlie Kirk's death?

YourLemonTiger · 15/09/2025 13:43

Parker231 · 15/09/2025 11:55

On 24 July 2023, on The Charlie Kirk Show, Charlie Kirk said:

“Joe Biden is a bumbling dementia filled Alzheimer’s corrupt tyrant who should honestly be put in prison and/or given the death penalty for his crimes against America.”

And your point is?

TooTooMuchEverything · 15/09/2025 13:46

weearrows · 15/09/2025 13:35

I would still argue those views should be allowed to exist. I think they should be combatted with solid counter arguments and if we truly teach young people to ‘think critically’ (can you tell I’m a 90s uni grad?!), in time, those views will be seen for what they are.

I have my doubts that is going to happen in the US anytime soon. As I understand it Trump et al are stripping the education department and pulling out a lot of funding. Even school lunches have been pulled. Hungry kids don’t make for good students. Or healthy children. Free school lunches are sometimes the only full meal kids will eat that day because poverty.

I don’t get the impression that they want critical thinkers. I think they are aiming to create a whole generation of dumbed down Christian nationalists.

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 15/09/2025 13:47

Booneymil · 15/09/2025 13:42

I didnt like what he said yet i feel terribly sad about it.

Its like the death of free speech. We should be allowed to say what we want!

Edited

Charlie Kirk was a definite fan of his right to free speech but that did not always extend to those who didn't agree with him. Turning Point USA didn't collate their Professor Watchlist for nothing - it was used to harass teaching staff that TPUSA viewed as engaging in wrongthink and to try to get them fired.

BananaPeels · 15/09/2025 13:47

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 15/09/2025 13:43

Do you think that the right to offend extends to those people on social media who were less than sympathetic about Charlie Kirk's death?

Yes of course. They are welcome to say what they like. Doesn’t mean that saying it is free from consequence though in terms of society’s opinion of them.

Newsenmum · 15/09/2025 13:47

No. 2 is wrong. They didn’t complete the sentence. He went on to say he preferred the word sympathy because you can’t actually know how someone feels. So I think that point is unfair.

Booneymil · 15/09/2025 13:48

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 15/09/2025 13:47

Charlie Kirk was a definite fan of his right to free speech but that did not always extend to those who didn't agree with him. Turning Point USA didn't collate their Professor Watchlist for nothing - it was used to harass teaching staff that TPUSA viewed as engaging in wrongthink and to try to get them fired.

Yes but as far as I am aware, none of those people were killed.

Were they?

FrippEnos · 15/09/2025 13:48

dwordle · 15/09/2025 13:10

It's fine to share his beliefs doesn't make you a bad person. But please remember that those views might offend so before you talk to someone about them take the time to respect their feelings and consider whether they want to hear your opinions. I say that because standing up and being controversial can offend

My point is that he was a self proclaimed Christian but those views aren't those shared by traditional Christians. Think about the work of Jesus, a humble person who forgiveness was natural. If Jesus walked the earth today, how would he be received by the likes of Trump. I think they would lock him up or deport him. Do you think Jesus would refuse to accept people of different faith, sexual preferences.....no he would embrace all...good and bad.

Might me being cynical but I believe being controversial was an easy for way this guy to make a good living. The more controversial the more media the more money.... horrible to say it but being normal wouldn't have got him that publicity. The guy was highly educated, articulate and took advantage of many people as he broke peoples arguments down in public. I'm not a fan and ultimately it was that fame that also stoked hatred. A young vulnerable man from an average home takes a gun and murders another person because he has taken a dislike to him. This is not normal behaviour, and we should not be so angry about it...we should actually be thinking how do we stop this happening again....how do we help young men to stop them doing things like this... blaming liberals is just whipping up more hate

He was an evangelical Christian. I think that the Christian denomination to which he belonged was the Calvary Chapel Association.

So he was no more "self proclaimed" than any other christian.

how do we help young men to stop them doing things like this... blaming liberals is just whipping up more hate

Bizarrely, the way to stop this is to have open and frank discussions, so that these vulnerable people can be helped.
The sad thing is that both sides are feeding off them.

Underthinker · 15/09/2025 13:48

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 15/09/2025 13:43

Do you think that the right to offend extends to those people on social media who were less than sympathetic about Charlie Kirk's death?

Yes they have that right. And we have the right to point out how callous and morally bankrupt that makes them look, particularly when they use lies and out of context quotes to make their point.

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 15/09/2025 13:48

Booneymil · 15/09/2025 13:48

Yes but as far as I am aware, none of those people were killed.

Were they?

Was Charlie Kirk killed for his views about free speech?

TheClaaaw · 15/09/2025 13:49

BananaPeels · 15/09/2025 13:21

Conservative Islamic views are allowable in a democratic society. I don’t agree with them and would absolutely debate someone who held them.

Debating views and exchanging ideas is a good thing- imposing and oppressing people because of them is not. That’s the difference. Charlie Kirk never imposed his view on anyone. He expressed it and opened it up to challenge. Don’t think the regimes of Iran and Afghanistan do that!

Nobody has said people aren’t allowed to hold views that are inherently self-contradictory and illogical and others, therefore, find objectionable. People can privately pursue whatever kind of values they wish provided they don’t abuse others and comply with the law. There are no thought police as far as I’m aware.

The issue arises when people egregiously try to force their extreme and harmful ideologies into public discourse in an attempt to normalise them, or try to change public policy and law to fit their ideology with the intention to try to force compliance with their views onto wider society because they want everyone comply with their own personal beliefs and wish to constrain how others are allowed to live to fit their worldview. Mr Kirk’s political activities had this very clear and expressly stated motivation.

Rights have to be constrained to the extent that everyone in society has the ability to have those rights and exercise them, otherwise they disappear entirely. This is what Mr Kirk appeared not to grasp (again, being charitable here. It seems more likely, in honesty, that he did grasp this but pretended he did not because he was trying to manipulate public opinion).

Once someone starts advocating for the freedoms of others to be constrained beyond the above boundary which is necessary for those freedoms to exist at all, and instead advocating that these freedoms should exist for one group of people but not another simply because it fits with their ideology (with such ideologies being inherently logically inconsistent by definition) or campaigning to attempt to achieve consensus for subjugation of part of the population because “I think this book from 2000 years ago says it’s what should happen” - as Mr Kirk did - then this is a problem for society and absolutely should be called out during the person’s life (as it was in his case) and after their death (as is being done now).

Nobody should have killed him. Nobody should be killing anybody his murderer has been arrested so justice - such as it is in the US - for that crime will take its course.

However, it’s quite clear he was an unpleasant, irrational and inadequate human being in many respects and it appears that he was intent on causing a great deal of harm to many other people so it’s perfectly legitimate for people to continue to point out this fact despite the fact that he has died.

FrippEnos · 15/09/2025 13:50

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 15/09/2025 13:47

Charlie Kirk was a definite fan of his right to free speech but that did not always extend to those who didn't agree with him. Turning Point USA didn't collate their Professor Watchlist for nothing - it was used to harass teaching staff that TPUSA viewed as engaging in wrongthink and to try to get them fired.

There is very little difference between this list and those that have been 'cancelled' by the trans lobby?

The only difference that I can see is that those on the TP USA list seem to still have their jobs.

Booneymil · 15/09/2025 13:50

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 15/09/2025 13:48

Was Charlie Kirk killed for his views about free speech?

I dont know. I didnt write that.

I said killing charlie kirk was like the death of free speech.

A poster then said "well he stopped other people from talking".

And i wrote , yes, but he did not KILL them

TooTooMuchEverything · 15/09/2025 13:51

Booneymil · 15/09/2025 13:48

Yes but as far as I am aware, none of those people were killed.

Were they?

We don’t know yet why Charlie Kirk was murdered and won’t know until the court case. Maybe not even then.

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 15/09/2025 13:52

Booneymil · 15/09/2025 13:50

I dont know. I didnt write that.

I said killing charlie kirk was like the death of free speech.

A poster then said "well he stopped other people from talking".

And i wrote , yes, but he did not KILL them

There are dozens of people shot in the US every day. What makes this particular act of gun violence the "death of free speech" and not the others?

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