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Charlie Kirk's beliefs

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MsAmerica · 15/09/2025 02:29

If You're Wondering What Charlie Kirk Believed In, Here Are 14 Real Quotes
In light of his death, Charlie Kirk's legacy is being remembered through these viral quotes.
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https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexalisitza/viral-charlie-kirk-quotes

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TheClaaaw · 15/09/2025 11:37

FrippEnos · 15/09/2025 11:28

Its as tiresome as "Some reading of history books is perhaps required."
An indication that you believe that you are intellectually superior, when in truth its just a veiled insult to try and stop debate.

I use "left" and "right" as that is how this debate has been framed. I would think that someone of your apparent intellect would understand and yes both sides use the same tired tropes to stop the other side, including personal insults.

And what both sides also do is use soundbites and clips out of context so that people no longer use their critical thinking skills to find that actual context in which things where said and put their meanings on them.

I don’t know why you find history personally insulting, or why you’re accusing other people of insulting you when it seems to be coming entirely in the other direction, but ok. It’s quite clear from your posts that you’re approaching this from some kind of partisan political position rather than as a discussion about standards of public discourse and acceptable behaviour, and logically coherent public policy that won’t collapse in on itself due to its own incoherence so it seems rather pointless. I’m not interested in your unwarranted and unpleasant personal comments about me, or your false dichotomy of “left” and “right” to try to label people who don’t agree with you.

XelaM · 15/09/2025 11:38

Well the first quote got him. A few gun deaths are a worthy price to pay to keep the Second Amendment 👍 Quite ironic

TheClaaaw · 15/09/2025 11:40

MakeMineADietCoke · 15/09/2025 11:26

people voicing conservative viewpoints is the same as images of CSA?

Another one? Seriously?

Try actually reading my post.

FrippEnos · 15/09/2025 11:43

TheClaaaw · 15/09/2025 11:37

I don’t know why you find history personally insulting, or why you’re accusing other people of insulting you when it seems to be coming entirely in the other direction, but ok. It’s quite clear from your posts that you’re approaching this from some kind of partisan political position rather than as a discussion about standards of public discourse and acceptable behaviour, and logically coherent public policy that won’t collapse in on itself due to its own incoherence so it seems rather pointless. I’m not interested in your unwarranted and unpleasant personal comments about me, or your false dichotomy of “left” and “right” to try to label people who don’t agree with you.

Thank you for that word salad and the twist of finding history "personally insulting" including the hypocritical twist of DARVO in that I have apparently made "unwarranted and unpleasant personal comments" about you.

It seems that you embody all of the things that you find hypocritical about others.

As for the "labels", as I said it is to frame the debate not to label others.

TheClaaaw · 15/09/2025 11:45

FrippEnos · 15/09/2025 11:20

Do/did you agree with the #nodebate for the trans lobby?
We are still in the middle of the ramifications of that.
Debate is need at all times, that often means hearing things that we don't like.

Hypocrisy needs to be called out if any freedom is to continue to exist, a fact ironically neglected by Kirk and his ilk. Meanwhile, there have to be limits to free speech - I will refer you again to the prescient comments by Justice Holmes in 1919. For it to exist at all there must be constraints. People like Kirk don’t/ didn’t appear to grasp this (or, if I’m being cynical, pretend they do not grasp it).

I agree with most of this but it needs to be called out when either side do it.
And yes there are constraints, there is a point where what is said is illegal.
But you have linked free speech to illegal activities.

There are points at which the truth will hurt which are not illegal.
For example transwomen are men.
It is not nice (fro trans women) but it is the truth and that truth protects women's rights.
What CK said when talking about Taylor Swift was not actually incorrect, when people get married and have children often their politics change, and they go further to the right, this is documented in the same way that older people are often more right wing.
Did he go to far in saying "submit to your husband", yes he did, but it doesn't mean that everything that he said was wrong, but it was then framed in his evangelical christian faith.

That’s exactly what I said. All of these extremists are a danger to our way of life and their views collapse in on themselves due to their logical incoherence. Obviously the views of the trans lobby are as absurd and self-contradictory as those of Kirk. Men are not women and was/ is absurd for anybody to suggest that they are. Their views have the potential to cause immense harm to society, specifically to women and children. As did those of Kirk. They are two sides of the same coin.

And no, he didn’t just say “submit to your husband” (although, uuuuugggh, from a personal perspective I find that repellent but that it just a personal view). He stated very explicitly that women should be “subordinate” to men, defer to men, men should control all finances and women should have no financial freedom. That women should not have an equal say even on what happens in their own home and “should not question” men’s decisions. What’s the justification for this, if you don’t view 50% of the population as inferior human beings? How is this logically coherent while stating that freedom of speech is a fundamental value, if it doesn’t apply to half of the population even in their own homes?

I’m not sure why you’re directing this comment to me when I’ve been clear throughout my comments that all extremists pushing logically incoherent and absurd views onto the rest of society are dangerous and that it’s legitimate to challenge their views robustly while they are alive and posthumously. Much of historical study involves the critique of views of people who are now dead. That doesn’t mean anybody is advocating murder or agrees with it.

CantCallItLove · 15/09/2025 11:49

TheClaaaw · 15/09/2025 10:29

There’s a difference between people highlighting the immense hypocrisy of him now being portrayed by some as a virtuous or moral individual, and anybody saying his murder was justified (I haven’t seen any posters on this thread writing that).

The man was a hypocrite, as all religious zealots are.

For example, he stated very clearly numerous times that women should be “subordinate to men” and have no independent financial freedom or decision-making over joint household finances within a couple. He stated women should obey their husbands (and no, these views of his aren’t “taken out of context” but were clearly expressed by him and elaborated upon in detail, numerous times).

How ironic for those who are critical of the many muslim cultures which treat women disrespectfully and insist women are inferior to men - just like Kirk - simultaneously to be trying to elevate Kirk to the status of some kind of moral paragon when he held views that were just as disgraceful and misogynistic.

Good old Charlie, eh? The hypocrisy in professing that freedom of speech is paramount for human society but that women should defer to men in all matters is breathtaking. That’s totally logically inconsistent unless, of course, you don’t view women as equal human beings: I suppose the importance of this freedom is selective and only applicable to those born with certain genetalia.

He also doesn’t appear to have been sufficiently intelligent to grasp the fundamental reasons why freedom of speech has always existed within constraints, otherwise it cannot exist at all. This was clarified in the US Supreme Court in 1919 by Justice Holmes. Like all fanatics he was only interested in things that fitted his worldview and was lacking in nuance, temperance or rationality.

All of these religious fanatics and extremists are just as appalling and hypocritical as each other and a danger to our way of life.

Nobody deserves to be murdered. But neither do we have to express grief at the demise of a man who was an horrendous hypocrite and had repellent views that he was insistent about trying to force onto others and whose impact in the world was negative and divisive, by designed, and nefarious given his explicitly stated agenda to “subjugate” one half of the population.

Thousands of people die all over the world every day, many of them far nicer human beings than he appeared to be and their deaths not even acknowledged, including innocent children. It’s perfectly legitimate for people to continue to challenge his repugnant views after his death, as has always been the case with other people who have died. I’m afraid that people can’t expect the majority of people to show a performative outpouring of grief for the fact that the world now does not contain this person, sad as it is for his children. All kinds of unpleasant people have children who love them.

It should also be noted that the repeated claims that somehow his vile opinions about women - which he was determined not just to hold privately but to force into public discourse and public policy if he could - are acceptable because he belonged to a particular religion are just as absurd as those in Iran, Afghanistan and other countries trying to use their religion to justify such disgusting opinions and nobody else is obliged to tolerate misogyny and just because your ancient book from a couple of thousand years ago said it’s ok (allegedly). A lot of people holding an opinion does not make it automatically acceptable, particularly when it is logically incoherent and self-contradictory.

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I came on to say something like this, but it's already been expressed absolutely perfectly. Thanks @TheClaaaw for articulating this.

YourLemonTiger · 15/09/2025 11:51

Parker231 · 15/09/2025 11:19

No one should be murdered for their beliefs but the US is obsessed with its gun culture and protecting the second amendment

Did you listen to what Charlie Kirk said about what should happen to President Biden?

I don't understand the whole guns/second amendment American thing as much as the next British person and no I didn't hear what CK said about Biden but what ever it was I very much doubt it justified CKs murder.

TheClaaaw · 15/09/2025 11:55

FrippEnos · 15/09/2025 11:43

Thank you for that word salad and the twist of finding history "personally insulting" including the hypocritical twist of DARVO in that I have apparently made "unwarranted and unpleasant personal comments" about you.

It seems that you embody all of the things that you find hypocritical about others.

As for the "labels", as I said it is to frame the debate not to label others.

Ok….. 🤔😆

Parker231 · 15/09/2025 11:55

YourLemonTiger · 15/09/2025 11:51

I don't understand the whole guns/second amendment American thing as much as the next British person and no I didn't hear what CK said about Biden but what ever it was I very much doubt it justified CKs murder.

On 24 July 2023, on The Charlie Kirk Show, Charlie Kirk said:

“Joe Biden is a bumbling dementia filled Alzheimer’s corrupt tyrant who should honestly be put in prison and/or given the death penalty for his crimes against America.”

CantCallItLove · 15/09/2025 11:59

Parker231 · 15/09/2025 11:55

On 24 July 2023, on The Charlie Kirk Show, Charlie Kirk said:

“Joe Biden is a bumbling dementia filled Alzheimer’s corrupt tyrant who should honestly be put in prison and/or given the death penalty for his crimes against America.”

No doubt we all have to go away and listen to everything else Kirk ever said in his life so we have full context before we can comment. And when we do, we'll have to excuse anything objectionable about his words because 'he was a Christian' and it's all 'based on his faith'.

CantCallItLove · 15/09/2025 12:00

FrippEnos · 15/09/2025 11:43

Thank you for that word salad and the twist of finding history "personally insulting" including the hypocritical twist of DARVO in that I have apparently made "unwarranted and unpleasant personal comments" about you.

It seems that you embody all of the things that you find hypocritical about others.

As for the "labels", as I said it is to frame the debate not to label others.

When you say 'word salad' do you just mean you didn't understand it? It was a perfectly clear post.

BoredZelda · 15/09/2025 12:07

nearlylovemyusername · 15/09/2025 08:34

Shooting and murdering people is wrong. Always. Full stop.

Is the world better without some people? Most definitely.
Would CK make this world even worse? Certainly. Still doesn't justify killing.

Shooting and murder is always wrong.

That’s one of the things Charlie Kirk didn’t really agree with. He did say, totally in context, that gun deaths are a price worth paying for protecting 2A. He called for a reduction in gun deaths by having fathers in the home and more armed guards. That didn’t seem to prevent his death given both were in place.

It is not hypocrisy to say gun violence is wrong, but also not feel empathy (another thing Kirk was against) for someone who has died in that way. He did not deserve to die, he was not evil, but I don’t mourn his loss. I don’t subscribe to the “mustn’t speak ill of the dead” mantra. Sometimes, people who die are not nice people. If they make their living by not being nice people, we don’t have to pretend otherwise.

For me the bigger issue here is about political violence, however it occurs. His death is being politicised and that will only lead to more violence.

Spookygoose · 15/09/2025 12:17

CantCallItLove · 15/09/2025 12:00

When you say 'word salad' do you just mean you didn't understand it? It was a perfectly clear post.

@TheClaaaw ’s post was the absolute definition of word salad! Using unnecessary, overly intellectual language like you’re writing an astro physics dissertation, on a chat forum, is such an obvious attempt to make yourself look superior to others. It doesn’t work though, it just makes you come off looking silly and like a total snob

Booneymil · 15/09/2025 12:18

As bad as he was. We should all be entitled to free speech, without being shot

BoredZelda · 15/09/2025 12:19

FrippEnos · 15/09/2025 11:11

I have seen some of these "vile" opinions and when put in context some are certainly still not pleasant but can at least be seen for what they are.

And again no-one has made anyone watch or take part in his campus tours, pod casts or shows.
In the same way that no-one makes anyone take part in the lefts version of CK.
The main difference is that the left is more likely to prevent the rights shows from happening by forcing campus' to refuse to have the right on campus at all.
Ad we have seen this in the UK as well.

‘No-one forces you” shows a deep misunderstanding of how social media algorithms work. Nobody is tied to a chair and made to watch, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t force fed a narrative through social media that aligns with his, which supports his, and will include his content. He is canonised by Trump and that team specifically because he was very successful at engaging people through social media. You could say no one is forced to be on social media, but given how widespread it is, and how many billions of views are on it, you really think that has been an active choice of people who engage with it? You think we all woke up one day and said “if only I could see daily videos of dogs cronching lettuce”?

To deny what he spent his entire adult life doing, is to deny the essence of who he was. You think he’d want people saying “well, he didn’t really think those things or say those things”

There isn’t a left wing version of him. That’s been a major problem.

MorrisZapp · 15/09/2025 12:21

TheClaaaw · 15/09/2025 10:29

There’s a difference between people highlighting the immense hypocrisy of him now being portrayed by some as a virtuous or moral individual, and anybody saying his murder was justified (I haven’t seen any posters on this thread writing that).

The man was a hypocrite, as all religious zealots are.

For example, he stated very clearly numerous times that women should be “subordinate to men” and have no independent financial freedom or decision-making over joint household finances within a couple. He stated women should obey their husbands (and no, these views of his aren’t “taken out of context” but were clearly expressed by him and elaborated upon in detail, numerous times).

How ironic for those who are critical of the many muslim cultures which treat women disrespectfully and insist women are inferior to men - just like Kirk - simultaneously to be trying to elevate Kirk to the status of some kind of moral paragon when he held views that were just as disgraceful and misogynistic.

Good old Charlie, eh? The hypocrisy in professing that freedom of speech is paramount for human society but that women should defer to men in all matters is breathtaking. That’s totally logically inconsistent unless, of course, you don’t view women as equal human beings: I suppose the importance of this freedom is selective and only applicable to those born with certain genetalia.

He also doesn’t appear to have been sufficiently intelligent to grasp the fundamental reasons why freedom of speech has always existed within constraints, otherwise it cannot exist at all. This was clarified in the US Supreme Court in 1919 by Justice Holmes. Like all fanatics he was only interested in things that fitted his worldview and was lacking in nuance, temperance or rationality.

All of these religious fanatics and extremists are just as appalling and hypocritical as each other and a danger to our way of life.

Nobody deserves to be murdered. But neither do we have to express grief at the demise of a man who was an horrendous hypocrite and had repellent views that he was insistent about trying to force onto others and whose impact in the world was negative and divisive, by designed, and nefarious given his explicitly stated agenda to “subjugate” one half of the population.

Thousands of people die all over the world every day, many of them far nicer human beings than he appeared to be and their deaths not even acknowledged, including innocent children. It’s perfectly legitimate for people to continue to challenge his repugnant views after his death, as has always been the case with other people who have died. I’m afraid that people can’t expect the majority of people to show a performative outpouring of grief for the fact that the world now does not contain this person, sad as it is for his children. All kinds of unpleasant people have children who love them.

It should also be noted that the repeated claims that somehow his vile opinions about women - which he was determined not just to hold privately but to force into public discourse and public policy if he could - are acceptable because he belonged to a particular religion are just as absurd as those in Iran, Afghanistan and other countries trying to use their religion to justify such disgusting opinions and nobody else is obliged to tolerate misogyny and just because your ancient book from a couple of thousand years ago said it’s ok (allegedly). A lot of people holding an opinion does not make it automatically acceptable, particularly when it is logically incoherent and self-contradictory.

Edited

Standing ovation! Thank god for sane views like this. Literally nobody, not the worst person in the world, deserves to be shot dead in front of their children. That is a horrific crime and will be dealt with as such.

This guy had some extreme and unpleasant views, so there is far more to him than a pleasant voice and patient debating manner.

Two things can both be true.

Vivi0 · 15/09/2025 12:28

AnyoneWhoHasAHeart · 15/09/2025 10:56

And yet another thread full of virtue signallers sainting Charlie Kirk now that he’s dead.

Anyone who assumes that pointing out the individual that Charlie Kirk was deserved to be shot is clearly lacking in inteligence and critical thinking skills.

nowhere on MN has anyone said that Charlie Kirk deserved to be shot. So as usual people are making shit up to suit their own agendas.

If Charlie Kirk hadn’t been shot, nobody would have been defending anything he had said. Except perhaps anything which might have been anti trans.

But now that he was murdered the same people who would have rightly criticised him in life are now throwing out the #beKind crap. Not because he was a lovely person, but because he’s dead.

He didn’t deserve to be murdered.

The individual who killed him deserves to be brought to justice.

But none of that changes the person that Charlie Kirk was in life.

If it did, then the likes of Jimmy Saville, Fred West, anyone who ever said or did anything wrong in life should automatically be forgiven those acts/words in death. No? Didn’t think so.

It’s sad for Charlie Kirk’s family.

As for the rest of us, the only reason anyone here cares is because of the views Charlie Kirk was known for having.

How many other people were shot in America last week?

Where are the threads of mass outpourings for those, some of them were children I believe?

FWIW I don’t believe that Charlie Kirk was shot for his views.

Interesting isn’t it that talk of the Epstein files has now gone quiet.

Good day to bury bad news anyone?

nowhere on MN has anyone said that Charlie Kirk deserved to be shot. So as usual people are making shit up to suit their own agendas.

No, sorry, this is just an outright lie.

Many posters on Mumsnet said that Charlie Kirk deserved to be shot.

I’m sure Mumsnet would be happy to confirm - since they deleted the posts.

Entire threads were deleted for the magnitude of comments that he deserved it.

Why do you feel the need to lie about this?

WhisperGold · 15/09/2025 12:33

Megifer · 15/09/2025 10:44

I dont believe a single person has said anything remotely close to, or hinting at, that people should grieve for him.

The same unfortunately can't be said for those who are, as a pp put it, gleefully posting "but he said this" quotes to try and prove he was awful. Whats the purpose of doing this now if its not a very thinly veiled attempt to try and justify what happened to him?

Genuine question BTW but I dont expect an honest answer.

I don't like the views expressed by Kemi Badenoch but that doesn't mean i want her assassinated. Ditto Robert Jenrick.
We are criticising Charlie Kirk's views here because we had never heard of him before his death, we are appalled by his shooting AND his views, so we are discussing them.
Haven't seen anyone celebrating except that Oxford Union twat.

awakeandasleep · 15/09/2025 12:39

I hadn't heard of Charlie Kirk but my DC had watched a lot of his debates. I have listened to a few of his debates and I have a lot of respect for him and his points on some issues. He was clearly an intelligent man.

His style of debating was very popular when I was a student in the 90s. I am worried for the future if some of his thoughts and ideas create so much hate when really it is just typical Western thoughts and ideas that need space in HE settings and equally there should be opposing discourse - that is how people grow and form critical thinking etc.

weearrows · 15/09/2025 12:44

This thread seems to have landed the way of many threads on MN - lots of people virtually shouting at each other.

FWIW, I’d describe myself as ‘centre right’ in my belief system but I’m also a libertarian and live by the principle of ‘you do you’ with the obvious caveat that your rights cannot trample all over other people’s rights either.

Like everyone, to an extent, I naturally live in an echo chamber. My default media will be the media that aligns with my views but I’m also really intentional about reading/watching ‘the other side’ and I do it with an open mind because I’m genuinely curious as to how other people develop their belief systems and their underlying logic. Also, I love respectful debate where worldviews (including my own) can be picked apart.

My liking for CK is that I think he was genuinely trying to do the same. I don’t agree with everything he said, sometimes I think he came across as snarky or angry and I also don’t think he was or should be treated as a ‘saint’ but I am genuinely sad at the loss of someone who (I think) was really trying to keep both sides talking.

I think we’re in the middle of an ideological revolution where feelings are being seen as more important than facts. Debate is often closed down with insults (and that happens on both sides) and the world feels quite toxic at times. MN is just an expression of a wider problem.

I’d like to hope and believe (however naive!) that I could have a IRL conversation with most people on this thread and even if we didn’t agree, could still walk away without wishing death on the other person.

BananaPeels · 15/09/2025 13:01

i don’t think I’ve ever met a person in my entire life where I have agreed with all their views on everything or disagreed with them on everything.

I liked how Charlie Kirk came across. I think he had a wonderful demeanour and came across as exceedingly kind. I agreed with some of the premises he advocated for but others, whilst I understood where he was coming from, I didn’t agree. But boy I would have loved to have debated with him. I love a good, robust, calm debate.

it is very obvious that the clips maligning him were out of context. I don’t think he ever said anything offensive or even deeply controversial.They were just his conservative Christian views and he would defend them and listen to the opposing view.

we need this in society which is why I’m dreadfully sad he’s no longer with us.

TheClaaaw · 15/09/2025 13:02

Spookygoose · 15/09/2025 12:17

@TheClaaaw ’s post was the absolute definition of word salad! Using unnecessary, overly intellectual language like you’re writing an astro physics dissertation, on a chat forum, is such an obvious attempt to make yourself look superior to others. It doesn’t work though, it just makes you come off looking silly and like a total snob

Really? Which words that I used do you consider to be “overly intellectual” or comparable to the language used in dissertations on astrophysics?

I didn’t use any complicated or specialised language that anybody familiar with ordinary English wouldn’t understand. As far as I can see all posts on the thread, including my own, are written using perfectly normal English words.

Please do let me and other posters know which of my words were so objectionable and unintelligible so that we know which one’s you’ve decided people should be prohibited from using on Mumsnet in future and allegedly constitute “an obvious attempt to make yourself look superior to others”.

I’m sure that other posters may be equally as baffled by this latest accusation from you so I hope you can clarify which word(s) caused this strange reaction from you, then any further unexpected and unintended offence resulting from the use of allegedly “intellectual language” can be avoided in future.

TheClaaaw · 15/09/2025 13:04

BananaPeels · 15/09/2025 13:01

i don’t think I’ve ever met a person in my entire life where I have agreed with all their views on everything or disagreed with them on everything.

I liked how Charlie Kirk came across. I think he had a wonderful demeanour and came across as exceedingly kind. I agreed with some of the premises he advocated for but others, whilst I understood where he was coming from, I didn’t agree. But boy I would have loved to have debated with him. I love a good, robust, calm debate.

it is very obvious that the clips maligning him were out of context. I don’t think he ever said anything offensive or even deeply controversial.They were just his conservative Christian views and he would defend them and listen to the opposing view.

we need this in society which is why I’m dreadfully sad he’s no longer with us.

I’m sure many in Iran and Afghanistan would defend their views as “just their conservative Islamic views”. This doesn’t constitute any kind of rational justification/ defence of their position, rather speaks to their irrationality and lack of critical thought.

LondonLady1980 · 15/09/2025 13:06

BananaPeels · 15/09/2025 13:01

i don’t think I’ve ever met a person in my entire life where I have agreed with all their views on everything or disagreed with them on everything.

I liked how Charlie Kirk came across. I think he had a wonderful demeanour and came across as exceedingly kind. I agreed with some of the premises he advocated for but others, whilst I understood where he was coming from, I didn’t agree. But boy I would have loved to have debated with him. I love a good, robust, calm debate.

it is very obvious that the clips maligning him were out of context. I don’t think he ever said anything offensive or even deeply controversial.They were just his conservative Christian views and he would defend them and listen to the opposing view.

we need this in society which is why I’m dreadfully sad he’s no longer with us.

I agree with this.

I liked a lot of things about him and really enjoyed watching his debates with college students - and I say this as a bisexual woman who has had a termination in the past.

CantCallItLove · 15/09/2025 13:07

BananaPeels · 15/09/2025 13:01

i don’t think I’ve ever met a person in my entire life where I have agreed with all their views on everything or disagreed with them on everything.

I liked how Charlie Kirk came across. I think he had a wonderful demeanour and came across as exceedingly kind. I agreed with some of the premises he advocated for but others, whilst I understood where he was coming from, I didn’t agree. But boy I would have loved to have debated with him. I love a good, robust, calm debate.

it is very obvious that the clips maligning him were out of context. I don’t think he ever said anything offensive or even deeply controversial.They were just his conservative Christian views and he would defend them and listen to the opposing view.

we need this in society which is why I’m dreadfully sad he’s no longer with us.

Conservative Christian views can be offensive and controversial. Very clearly, Kirk's comments on abortion and women's rights were offensive to many and controversial too. They arose from right-wing evangelical Christian views and are rooted in deep misogyny. This is not to say all Christians are misogynists, but to say that the Christian right in America who are pursuing abortion bans and trying to roll back women's rights are indeed misogynistic. They are also not 'exceedingly kind'. Kirk was a clean, well presented, articulate face of an agenda that poses an existential threat to women's rights.

For clarity, I am not endorsing his murder nor am I celebrating it. I would like people to be very aware of Kirk's misogyny and the misogyny of the particular brand of American right-wing Christianity that he was a part of.

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