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Charlie Kirk's beliefs

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MsAmerica · 15/09/2025 02:29

If You're Wondering What Charlie Kirk Believed In, Here Are 14 Real Quotes
In light of his death, Charlie Kirk's legacy is being remembered through these viral quotes.
BuzzFeed

https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexalisitza/viral-charlie-kirk-quotes

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Batmanisaplaceinturkey · 15/09/2025 09:58

OxfordInkling · 15/09/2025 09:52

Context is king. And those who try to smear him have either never bothered to listen or didn’t have the faculties to comprehend.

Creating imagery like that. It's like they are trying to canonise him.

He was no saint.

But that is NOT to say he deserved to be murdered.

Handsomesoapdish · 15/09/2025 09:58

I think people who are welded to very rigid belief systems that subjugate other people are often a little/a lot narcissistic but that does not mean they deserve to die.

Loads of people have self serving beliefs, and what those “selves” look like means nearly any belief is possible is some one’s mind out there.

Unless a person is actively out in the world harming people, their beliefs are their own and if they harm others they deserve to be locked up not killed.

Megifer · 15/09/2025 10:00

Batmanisaplaceinturkey · 15/09/2025 09:56

Oh my. Critical thinking is dead. Nobody on this thread is saying he deserved to be shot.

I dont think critical thinking means what you think it means 😬

OxfordInkling · 15/09/2025 10:03

Batmanisaplaceinturkey · 15/09/2025 09:58

Creating imagery like that. It's like they are trying to canonise him.

He was no saint.

But that is NOT to say he deserved to be murdered.

Edited

Are you quite mad? It’s a picture of a man sitting on a bench. Are you so desperate to hate on someone that you’ll pick at anything?

He was murdered for speaking truth and encouraging others to actually think rather than regurgitate slogans. And now those who spent their time misrepresenting him repeatedly have discovered that there are many people who are sick of that crap. God forbid people should quote him while showing his image. How terrible.

CasualDayHasGoneTooFar · 15/09/2025 10:05

I dont think that anyone should be shot for their beliefs, I do think he was awful.

SparklingRivers · 15/09/2025 10:07

itainthalfcold · 15/09/2025 07:11

I’m assuming they’ll all be quotes that have been conveniently cut from longer quotes that show them out of context?

I disagree with his stance on many things but to suggest he was an evil man is plain wrong.

I've watched the whole "pregnant 10 year old should give birth" one and it doesn't reflect well on him.
I can vaguely see his thought process (he says about something good -the baby, coming from something evil - the rape) but it shows an absolute lack of ability to look at the whole situation.

weearrows · 15/09/2025 10:08

CasualDayHasGoneTooFar · 15/09/2025 09:40

How can you say "a few gun deaths is ok so long as we can keep our right to bear arms" (paraphrasing)
and "if my 10 year old daughter was pregnant I would not allow her to terminate" out of context?

It’s easy to find online if you look.

With the gun deaths, he was drawing a parallel between gun ownership and car ownership. Thousands of people die in accidents every year often because of poorly handled/driven cars but no one suggests removing cars because the cost would outweigh the benefit. His argument is that it’s the same with guns, teach responsible ownership because the cost of restricting them is higher than the benefit.

Personally I don’t agree with the argument but I agree that his ‘working out’ of the problem is philosophically logical. As a debater, he was always trying to uncover faulty logic in people’s assumptions and reasoning. I think that’s a good thing - it helps people to stop uncritically accepting everything they consume on the internet.

Again, the statement about abortion and the hypothetical 10 year old girl is available in context online. Again, you might not agree with where he landed but his view is logically consistent with his underlying belief system, which is - if an unborn child is a human, it has human rights and therefore the mother’s rights do not supersede those of the unborn child’s. Obviously other people will have a different belief system and will come to a different conclusion but CK was all about challenging logic and assumption. That’s what good debaters do.

As for the OP, literally 5 minutes of research would have given you the full context of these sentences. You should factcheck before posting such stuff.

Handsomesoapdish · 15/09/2025 10:13

SparklingRivers · 15/09/2025 10:07

I've watched the whole "pregnant 10 year old should give birth" one and it doesn't reflect well on him.
I can vaguely see his thought process (he says about something good -the baby, coming from something evil - the rape) but it shows an absolute lack of ability to look at the whole situation.

He probably would never have done that. He lacked empathy so it would only be if the situation actually happened to his daughter that he would have the social imagination/empathy to understand it and he also had a high opinion of himself so he also believes that could never happen to him or his family because that only happens to lesser people. Very preaching moralistic people like that can be extremely hypocritical from my experience of dealing with those types.

weearrows · 15/09/2025 10:16

Handsomesoapdish · 15/09/2025 10:13

He probably would never have done that. He lacked empathy so it would only be if the situation actually happened to his daughter that he would have the social imagination/empathy to understand it and he also had a high opinion of himself so he also believes that could never happen to him or his family because that only happens to lesser people. Very preaching moralistic people like that can be extremely hypocritical from my experience of dealing with those types.

Have you ever watched any of his stuff? Not edited clips but had a proper look at his YouTube channel?

FrippEnos · 15/09/2025 10:23

Once again "quotes" and soundbites taken out of context.

If you want to make him look bad (and it is very possible to do so) post the whole thing as some of these have been twisted and spun.

MakeMineADietCoke · 15/09/2025 10:27

AnotherNaCha · 15/09/2025 08:17

Just to point out those two things are at complete opposite ends of the spectrum and that’s an absolutely ludicrous comparison. One done to ridicule and make fun of a race they considered beneath them, the other done as they identify with that gender.

Crikey I despair!

Rachel dolezal was identifying as black so was that ok then? As she wasn’t mocking anyone?

Megifer · 15/09/2025 10:28

FrippEnos · 15/09/2025 10:23

Once again "quotes" and soundbites taken out of context.

If you want to make him look bad (and it is very possible to do so) post the whole thing as some of these have been twisted and spun.

Tbf they gotta try and justify the "sorry he was murdered...but he was awful, sooooo swings and roundabouts innit....." somehow haven't they.

TheClaaaw · 15/09/2025 10:29

There’s a difference between people highlighting the immense hypocrisy of him now being portrayed by some as a virtuous or moral individual, and anybody saying his murder was justified (I haven’t seen any posters on this thread writing that).

The man was a hypocrite, as all religious zealots are.

For example, he stated very clearly numerous times that women should be “subordinate to men” and have no independent financial freedom or decision-making over joint household finances within a couple. He stated women should obey their husbands (and no, these views of his aren’t “taken out of context” but were clearly expressed by him and elaborated upon in detail, numerous times).

How ironic for those who are critical of the many muslim cultures which treat women disrespectfully and insist women are inferior to men - just like Kirk - simultaneously to be trying to elevate Kirk to the status of some kind of moral paragon when he held views that were just as disgraceful and misogynistic.

Good old Charlie, eh? The hypocrisy in professing that freedom of speech is paramount for human society but that women should defer to men in all matters is breathtaking. That’s totally logically inconsistent unless, of course, you don’t view women as equal human beings: I suppose the importance of this freedom is selective and only applicable to those born with certain genetalia.

He also doesn’t appear to have been sufficiently intelligent to grasp the fundamental reasons why freedom of speech has always existed within constraints, otherwise it cannot exist at all. This was clarified in the US Supreme Court in 1919 by Justice Holmes. Like all fanatics he was only interested in things that fitted his worldview and was lacking in nuance, temperance or rationality.

All of these religious fanatics and extremists are just as appalling and hypocritical as each other and a danger to our way of life.

Nobody deserves to be murdered. But neither do we have to express grief at the demise of a man who was an horrendous hypocrite and had repellent views that he was insistent about trying to force onto others and whose impact in the world was negative and divisive, by designed, and nefarious given his explicitly stated agenda to “subjugate” one half of the population.

Thousands of people die all over the world every day, many of them far nicer human beings than he appeared to be and their deaths not even acknowledged, including innocent children. It’s perfectly legitimate for people to continue to challenge his repugnant views after his death, as has always been the case with other people who have died. I’m afraid that people can’t expect the majority of people to show a performative outpouring of grief for the fact that the world now does not contain this person, sad as it is for his children. All kinds of unpleasant people have children who love them.

It should also be noted that the repeated claims that somehow his vile opinions about women - which he was determined not just to hold privately but to force into public discourse and public policy if he could - are acceptable because he belonged to a particular religion are just as absurd as those in Iran, Afghanistan and other countries trying to use their religion to justify such disgusting opinions and nobody else is obliged to tolerate misogyny and just because your ancient book from a couple of thousand years ago said it’s ok (allegedly). A lot of people holding an opinion does not make it automatically acceptable, particularly when it is logically incoherent and self-contradictory.

Frequency · 15/09/2025 10:30

I hadn't heard of this man until his death, and what I've read since then isn't anything I would ever agree with, but there seems to be a gleeful tone in a lot of the social media feed around his death which I find deeply disturbing.

He was a father who was publicly murdered in a gruesome, violent fashion. No one deserves that, no matter how abhorrent their views are. And his family do not deserve to have read shit like this just days after his death. Those posting are no better than Charlie himself.

Handsomesoapdish · 15/09/2025 10:30

weearrows · 15/09/2025 10:16

Have you ever watched any of his stuff? Not edited clips but had a proper look at his YouTube channel?

Yes.

MakeMineADietCoke · 15/09/2025 10:31

The internet is absolutely full of experts on Charlie Kirk and his views now when they’d never heard of him before he was murdered. They read an article like the OP does (quoting buzzfeed like it’s a credible source) and think they’ve got the full picture. Mindlessly consuming left wing media without questioning any of it will do that to you.

go watch some of his debates and use a little tiny bit of critical thinking skill.

FranticFrankie · 15/09/2025 10:33

It doesn't really matter whether one agrees with all or some or none of what he said.
It does not and will never excuse murdering a man in cold blood in front of his family.

It's absolutely disgusting to try to excuse it.
I despair for humanity at times, I really do

ResusciAnnie · 15/09/2025 10:35

It’s all just mindless - the killing to the arguing around it.

What strikes me is that you can’t be anti right to bear arms, and then rejoice (which some people openly are) when someone you don’t like is shot dead.

GentleSheep · 15/09/2025 10:35

Handsomesoapdish · 15/09/2025 10:13

He probably would never have done that. He lacked empathy so it would only be if the situation actually happened to his daughter that he would have the social imagination/empathy to understand it and he also had a high opinion of himself so he also believes that could never happen to him or his family because that only happens to lesser people. Very preaching moralistic people like that can be extremely hypocritical from my experience of dealing with those types.

I do feel strongly that he came across as a young man who has yet to gain real maturity. I believe that if he had been in that situation he would not find it as black and white as he thought. Had he lived longer then his views would have been tempered by maturity and expressed in a more nuanced and wise way. Sadly that will never happen now.

TheClaaaw · 15/09/2025 10:38

FranticFrankie · 15/09/2025 10:33

It doesn't really matter whether one agrees with all or some or none of what he said.
It does not and will never excuse murdering a man in cold blood in front of his family.

It's absolutely disgusting to try to excuse it.
I despair for humanity at times, I really do

Who has tried to excuse his murder on this thread?

CasualDayHasGoneTooFar · 15/09/2025 10:39

I think most balanced people can be both against murder and against CK and his views. Its not hard

FrippEnos · 15/09/2025 10:40

@TheClaaaw

Just two things

Which "vile opinions about women"?
I can think of some but can you and can you provide context for them?

How was he "forcing his views" on others?
He invited them to debate with him, no-one was forced to turn up or engage with him at any point.

Yes, he had a huge internet base and was very popular with people of all creeds and colours but no-one was forced to interact with him or watch his videos.

TooTooMuchEverything · 15/09/2025 10:41

Sausagenbacon · 15/09/2025 06:37

And?
What are we supposed to post in response?
"What a frightful person, he deserved to be shot"
Also, I'd prefer not to use someone else's soundbites.
Lastly, he's spot on here
A man who calls himself trans is wearing 'woman face,' no different than I would wear Black face trying to be a Black person. It's assuming an identity that isn't yours.

Edited

He is not ‘spot on there.’

And I’m sure you’d not like to use those sound bites. Because they indicate Charlie Kirk was a racist, sexiest, homophobe that thought, amongst other things, that it was iokay for a raped 10 year old child to give birth to the baby of her rapist, and that Black people were better off under Jim Crow laws, that he wanted women back
in the home and submitting to their husbands.

He was a bad man with poisonous messages. I never think murder is an answer though.

Megifer · 15/09/2025 10:44

TheClaaaw · 15/09/2025 10:29

There’s a difference between people highlighting the immense hypocrisy of him now being portrayed by some as a virtuous or moral individual, and anybody saying his murder was justified (I haven’t seen any posters on this thread writing that).

The man was a hypocrite, as all religious zealots are.

For example, he stated very clearly numerous times that women should be “subordinate to men” and have no independent financial freedom or decision-making over joint household finances within a couple. He stated women should obey their husbands (and no, these views of his aren’t “taken out of context” but were clearly expressed by him and elaborated upon in detail, numerous times).

How ironic for those who are critical of the many muslim cultures which treat women disrespectfully and insist women are inferior to men - just like Kirk - simultaneously to be trying to elevate Kirk to the status of some kind of moral paragon when he held views that were just as disgraceful and misogynistic.

Good old Charlie, eh? The hypocrisy in professing that freedom of speech is paramount for human society but that women should defer to men in all matters is breathtaking. That’s totally logically inconsistent unless, of course, you don’t view women as equal human beings: I suppose the importance of this freedom is selective and only applicable to those born with certain genetalia.

He also doesn’t appear to have been sufficiently intelligent to grasp the fundamental reasons why freedom of speech has always existed within constraints, otherwise it cannot exist at all. This was clarified in the US Supreme Court in 1919 by Justice Holmes. Like all fanatics he was only interested in things that fitted his worldview and was lacking in nuance, temperance or rationality.

All of these religious fanatics and extremists are just as appalling and hypocritical as each other and a danger to our way of life.

Nobody deserves to be murdered. But neither do we have to express grief at the demise of a man who was an horrendous hypocrite and had repellent views that he was insistent about trying to force onto others and whose impact in the world was negative and divisive, by designed, and nefarious given his explicitly stated agenda to “subjugate” one half of the population.

Thousands of people die all over the world every day, many of them far nicer human beings than he appeared to be and their deaths not even acknowledged, including innocent children. It’s perfectly legitimate for people to continue to challenge his repugnant views after his death, as has always been the case with other people who have died. I’m afraid that people can’t expect the majority of people to show a performative outpouring of grief for the fact that the world now does not contain this person, sad as it is for his children. All kinds of unpleasant people have children who love them.

It should also be noted that the repeated claims that somehow his vile opinions about women - which he was determined not just to hold privately but to force into public discourse and public policy if he could - are acceptable because he belonged to a particular religion are just as absurd as those in Iran, Afghanistan and other countries trying to use their religion to justify such disgusting opinions and nobody else is obliged to tolerate misogyny and just because your ancient book from a couple of thousand years ago said it’s ok (allegedly). A lot of people holding an opinion does not make it automatically acceptable, particularly when it is logically incoherent and self-contradictory.

Edited

I dont believe a single person has said anything remotely close to, or hinting at, that people should grieve for him.

The same unfortunately can't be said for those who are, as a pp put it, gleefully posting "but he said this" quotes to try and prove he was awful. Whats the purpose of doing this now if its not a very thinly veiled attempt to try and justify what happened to him?

Genuine question BTW but I dont expect an honest answer.

pinksheetss · 15/09/2025 10:46

I’m not really on either side of this debate but I read first two quotes there and closed off because I already know they have been taken out of context

he said he didn’t like the word empathy as he felt empathy meant you had to have gone through what the person had to be able to understand. He prefers the word sympathy.

Please do one tiny thing and research further before creating a thread to cause issues with misinformed quotes

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