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Charlie Kirk's beliefs

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MsAmerica · 15/09/2025 02:29

If You're Wondering What Charlie Kirk Believed In, Here Are 14 Real Quotes
In light of his death, Charlie Kirk's legacy is being remembered through these viral quotes.
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https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexalisitza/viral-charlie-kirk-quotes

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tabulahrasa · 23/09/2025 11:34

ColdSalads · 23/09/2025 11:27

They don't do the pledge if allegiance in hardly any of the US Universities - Cultural marxism saw to that.

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Schools - as in children not colleges or universities.

Plastictreees · 23/09/2025 11:35

Just calling a spade a spade. Your username is proving to be apt - it’s all word salad with you.

ColdSalads · 23/09/2025 11:36

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The proof is throughout this read, you are wilfully blind and have failed spectacularly to provide any reasonable argument to defend the racist bigot that is Kirk.

You aren’t interested in a logical, coherent debate so I will no longer be attempting to engage with you and your intransigent, extreme views. I would encourage others to do the same.

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1dayatatime · 23/09/2025 11:51

Plastictreees · 23/09/2025 11:32

Nah, if you don’t want to be called a racist or a homophobe or a bigot then just don’t be one. It’s that simple. 👍🏻

Hmm - that doesn't really work when the far left gets to decide what is or is not and who it labels or not as racist or homophobic or bigoted.

It's also very much a far left stance that their opinion or view is the only "truth".

Plastictreees · 23/09/2025 12:23

It is blatantly obvious that Kirk’s views are racist, many examples have been given throughout this thread. Whether you are ‘left’ or ‘right’ makes absolutely no difference to this. Other than other far right extremists continuing blindly defending him.

hamstersarse · 23/09/2025 12:26

ColdSalads · 23/09/2025 11:04

I'm a denier, try me. Give me an example of Kirk's racism.

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There is no clip anyone can provide that proves CK was racist because it doesn’t exist.

There is only an out of context ‘quote’ of approximately 1 sentence that apparently proves the point.

I think a lot of people only deal in soundbites

hamstersarse · 23/09/2025 12:27

Plastictreees · 23/09/2025 12:23

It is blatantly obvious that Kirk’s views are racist, many examples have been given throughout this thread. Whether you are ‘left’ or ‘right’ makes absolutely no difference to this. Other than other far right extremists continuing blindly defending him.

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Please just post the actual clip of his racism though. Not a second hand out of context ‘quote’

Plastictreees · 23/09/2025 12:30

All in the thread and online, for you to see and hear… not just his racism, but homophobia and misogyny too.

hamstersarse · 23/09/2025 12:32

nearlylovemyusername · 23/09/2025 09:13

But this is exactly what we are doing - we are politely disagreeing. With CK and his followers, the likes of @hamstersarse

Not a single poster here told that his murder was acceptable.

But most of us hate his views and terrified about possibility of his views being put into law.

As to trans and pronouns - surprise surprise, there are some (and a lot of them) people who support it, incl many women. Most of them personally know and are friends with trans people so know the issue first hand. I personally don't support the entire ideology and I do believe in biology, but my belief in personal freedom is above this all.

There is a lot of the tone on this thread that is justifying why he was shot. ‘He was hateful’ - coincidentally the same words inscribed on the bullets.

People on Mumsnet were 💯 celebrating his death but they were deleted and so people toned it down, but it’s still there, the undertone that he deserved it because he’s so ‘hateful’.

So do you speak out about your view on trans ideology? Or do you hide away with your views and let someone else take the bullet from actually hateful people?

hamstersarse · 23/09/2025 12:33

Plastictreees · 23/09/2025 12:30

All in the thread and online, for you to see and hear… not just his racism, but homophobia and misogyny too.

Why is it so hard to post the actual clip of him?

Not a second hand quote, the actual clip?

Plastictreees · 23/09/2025 12:36

It’s really not. His videos and podcasts are all over the internet. It’s why his extreme views are well known, and why he’s known as a misogynist. But you can continue attempting to defend him and claiming he’s not racist or homophobic or misogynistic- it doesn’t change the fact he is. You aren’t providing anything new to this thread so I’ll leave you to it. If you actually read the thread you could learn something, but I have no hopes of that at this point.

tabulahrasa · 23/09/2025 12:37

hamstersarse · 23/09/2025 12:32

There is a lot of the tone on this thread that is justifying why he was shot. ‘He was hateful’ - coincidentally the same words inscribed on the bullets.

People on Mumsnet were 💯 celebrating his death but they were deleted and so people toned it down, but it’s still there, the undertone that he deserved it because he’s so ‘hateful’.

So do you speak out about your view on trans ideology? Or do you hide away with your views and let someone else take the bullet from actually hateful people?

Of course it’s not justifying why he was shot - nobody should be shot.

People should be hugely concerned he is dead tbh, trump and maga are using his death as some sort of rally, notice how little of his memorial was actually about him.

1dayatatime · 23/09/2025 12:43

hamstersarse · 23/09/2025 12:33

Why is it so hard to post the actual clip of him?

Not a second hand quote, the actual clip?

Because in the logic of @Plastictreees her opinion is the only "truth" and by challenging her "truth" by asking for evidence that CK was a racist, homophobe or misogynistic that in turn makes you racist, homophobic and misogynistic.

Such is the twisted cancel culture of the far left when for example 60% of the UK population are reluctant to openly discuses such topics as immigration for fear of being labelled a racist.

nearlylovemyusername · 23/09/2025 12:47

hamstersarse · 23/09/2025 12:32

There is a lot of the tone on this thread that is justifying why he was shot. ‘He was hateful’ - coincidentally the same words inscribed on the bullets.

People on Mumsnet were 💯 celebrating his death but they were deleted and so people toned it down, but it’s still there, the undertone that he deserved it because he’s so ‘hateful’.

So do you speak out about your view on trans ideology? Or do you hide away with your views and let someone else take the bullet from actually hateful people?

Do you speak out about your position on abortions? in real life, with your friends and colleagues? What is reaction?

Re trans - I'm not actually that militant about it, I believe trans people should be able to live their lives without fear, but yes, I did share my views on women sports and NHS terminology.

Plastictreees · 23/09/2025 12:49

No. People have just been unable to form a coherent rebuttal for such views (that Kirk wanted to enforce on the population as a whole, through law) NOT being misogynistic or racist. For example, forcing women and children who’ve been raped to go through with the pregnancy. This has been explained at length time and time again by myself and many other eloquent and patient posters. I’m now out, my work here is done. 🤣🙏🏻

tabulahrasa · 23/09/2025 13:01

1dayatatime · 23/09/2025 12:43

Because in the logic of @Plastictreees her opinion is the only "truth" and by challenging her "truth" by asking for evidence that CK was a racist, homophobe or misogynistic that in turn makes you racist, homophobic and misogynistic.

Such is the twisted cancel culture of the far left when for example 60% of the UK population are reluctant to openly discuses such topics as immigration for fear of being labelled a racist.

No, it’s that his views in his own words are all through this thread, and very easy to find on his own YouTube etc.

But the almost textbook examples of racism or sexism are met with, it’s taken out of context (when the context is in fact just a longer explanation of the same thing not something opposing it) or… what he really meant is, as if he didn’t have years to work out a better way of putting things if that wasn’t in fact how he wanted to state them.

Thisistyresome · 23/09/2025 13:12

MsAmerica · 23/09/2025 01:27

He did have awful aspects to his beliefs, and although of course no decent person thinks he should have been murdered - but there's a growing problem in modern society where the many dissenters have no way of combatting the "bad guys" who have power, money, and fanatical followers.

He had "fanatical followers" did he? I'm no expert but did any of then shot someone in front of their children recently?

You are sounding like the fanatic at this point. I would suggest logging off the internet for a prolonged period until you have learned to process the work like a normal human.

1dayatatime · 23/09/2025 13:19

tabulahrasa · 23/09/2025 13:01

No, it’s that his views in his own words are all through this thread, and very easy to find on his own YouTube etc.

But the almost textbook examples of racism or sexism are met with, it’s taken out of context (when the context is in fact just a longer explanation of the same thing not something opposing it) or… what he really meant is, as if he didn’t have years to work out a better way of putting things if that wasn’t in fact how he wanted to state them.

No the reality is that there are internet links that show an opposing viewpoint that CK was not racist. Just as there are internet links that show a viewpoint that he was racist.

But here is the difference, I can see that you have a different opinion that CK was racist and you are absolutely entitled to express that view. However you will not tolerate the differing opinion that he was not racist.

Such is the twisted ideology of the far left that to dispute or challenge their "truth" in turn makes someone racist, homophobic or misogynistic.

tabulahrasa · 23/09/2025 13:30

1dayatatime · 23/09/2025 13:19

No the reality is that there are internet links that show an opposing viewpoint that CK was not racist. Just as there are internet links that show a viewpoint that he was racist.

But here is the difference, I can see that you have a different opinion that CK was racist and you are absolutely entitled to express that view. However you will not tolerate the differing opinion that he was not racist.

Such is the twisted ideology of the far left that to dispute or challenge their "truth" in turn makes someone racist, homophobic or misogynistic.

Words mean things, racism has a definition.

The words he himself carefully crafted to express his viewpoint fit that definition.

It’s not twisted ideology, it’s very basic comprehension of the English language.

nearlylovemyusername · 23/09/2025 13:40

Very timely - is FT.com good enough?

America’s accelerating exit from itself

"Orwell is erroneously quoted as having said that at a time of universal deceit, truth-telling is a revolutionary act. Here is the truth about Kirk. He believed that the US Civil Rights Act was a mistake, that leading African-American women, including Michelle Obama, lacked “brain processing power”, that Joe Biden should be jailed or even killed for his presidential sins and that the US should have public executions. Readers can guess for themselves what Kirk thought of women’s place in society.

Under America’s First Amendment, pretty much all speech is protected by law. That is as it should be. Shouting “fire” in a crowded theatre endangers the lives of others. Booing the stage performance or claiming the tickets were a rip off does not. Those who called out Kirk’s toxicity were as American as apple pie. As was Kirk. The right to say what you want dates to the country’s founding. Nobody should be prosecuted, let alone killed, for being obnoxious.

A few months before the 250th anniversary of the declaration of independence, Donald Trump is pulverising the country’s founding principles with astonishing ease. His war on speech is no drill. Late-night comedians are being targeted. Corporations like Paramount are meekly submitting to his will. Ivy League presidents and globally renowned law firms act as though the First Amendment no longer holds. Outspoken business leaders have suddenly lost their tongues. Since they have the most to lose, those with power and wealth are among the softest targets.

Trump misses no opportunity to punish dissent, and Kirk’s assassination is his biggest so far. Last week he claimed that 97 per cent of network coverage of him was negative and should be illegal. The federal state’s vast powers are being used to pursue private vendettas. Officials have been forced to take polygraphs to test their loyalties."

hamstersarse · 23/09/2025 14:05

Plastictreees · 23/09/2025 12:49

No. People have just been unable to form a coherent rebuttal for such views (that Kirk wanted to enforce on the population as a whole, through law) NOT being misogynistic or racist. For example, forcing women and children who’ve been raped to go through with the pregnancy. This has been explained at length time and time again by myself and many other eloquent and patient posters. I’m now out, my work here is done. 🤣🙏🏻

No clip then 🤷‍♀️

of all the hate he spewed there was nothing eh?

hamstersarse · 23/09/2025 14:15

nearlylovemyusername · 23/09/2025 12:47

Do you speak out about your position on abortions? in real life, with your friends and colleagues? What is reaction?

Re trans - I'm not actually that militant about it, I believe trans people should be able to live their lives without fear, but yes, I did share my views on women sports and NHS terminology.

I do speak about my view on abortion yes.
But I don’t expect anyone to agree with me, and I don’t judge anyone who has an abortion. I also don’t try and influence people. That probably sounds completely alien to you, but it’s actually totally normal irl with non ideologically captured lefties.

It’s not that hard to not expect everyone to agree with you,

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