Labour Supporters - Do you think it would help if KS was replaced?

[Mrsmunchofmunchington]

I am a life long labour voter. Like many I am incredibly disappointed, in fact I’m devastated by the direction of the current government.

Something needs to change in a pretty radical way or we are opening the door to Deform.

I’m torn between thinking the last thing we need is another revolving door at no 10 but I have lost any confidence that KS is able to lead us out of the mess the tories left us in.

Would it be a good thing to change leaders if this was possible and if so who should it be?

You know you don't have to defend it anymore.

I'm not defending Boris. But actually I could if I wanted to without my comment being policed (again).

Sue Gray was appointed by Labour immediately after bringing down a Conservative PM. You might see something wrong in that. Just another example of this dodgy government.

What is it with you and the police?

Frankly, it's the petty bickering that irritates me. The parliamentary classes, whatever the colours nailed to the individual masts, just want to discredit their rivals because they have neither the fiscal scope nor the ambition to effect major large policy change, so party attack squads and sniper raids in the media are how they justify their existence to their constituents and colleagues and burnish their reputations.

Perhaps the size of the Labour majority liberates the various internal factions of the PLP to take chunks out of each other? Meanwhile the lack of unity is partially veiled behind noisy condemnation of Reform and Farage (I can toast that). In the other corner, the Conservatives lick their wounds as Kemi keeps largely silent and refuses to play the role of Opposition.

Well even Labour's biggest fan girl doesn't rate Starmer any more. Things must be bad

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@BIossomtoesPositive to see the High Court judgement in the Michelle Mone case, yesterday - looks like the beginning (finally!) of some sort of justice. Mone certainly seems determined to take some of her fellow Tories down with her. Let’s hope the money is rightfully returned to public funds.

The civil case to recover the money was begun under the Tories two years before Labour came to power. Mone was never in government.

Yes, I’m aware, thanks. It is significant that Mone is (was?) a Conservative peer, appointed by Cameron, who used those connections to access the VIP lane - I think in her case it was via Michael Gove. She’s also named Gove’s fellow Tory cabinet minister at the time, Matt Hancock, as acting in the same way (and Lord Chadlington too, I think).

That’s completely misleading. Her recommendation of MedPro to use the VIP Lane was assessed by civil servants. All referrals were assessed by the civil service. (The courts refused to make a declaration of unlawfulness about the VIP Lane in the judicial review brought by GLP; permission to appeal the judgment by GLP was refused).

I’m not condoning what she did, but it had to do with her and MedPro alone, not any Tories in government or the civil service.

As it happens I need to correct the timeline. The Tory government demanded the money back three-and-a-half years before Labour were elected, and issued proceedings two years before the GE.

Oh, and Mone was a Labour supporter until 2010. Funny that.

What’s funny about it? She became a Tory when the top rate of income tax was raised to 50% by the Brown government. Clearly she wasn’t prepared to put her money where her mouth was when it came to socialist principles.

It pretty normal for people to which from Labour to the Conservatives as they grow up. It is a well know feature that labour to like to spend other peoples money, once you become the one with money, you're no longer welcome.

Court documents set out that she contacted Michael Gove and Lord Agnew who then referred her to the VIP lane; the company was incorporated in May 2020 and accepted into the ‘High Priority Lane’ on exactly the same day. And it’s Mone who is highlighting the other examples, so we’ll have to wait to see how this develops. Given that this continues to be part of a separate criminal investigation, I’ll leave it there.

Nah, I think Mone’s interest was actually just cosying up to whoever was in power.

Yes, best. But it’s nothing to do with Tory ministers however you look at it.

However you look at it, perhaps - I’ll wait until all of the investigations have been concluded to make that judgement.

Odd that she said the tax rise was the reason then.

A somewhat sweeping generalisation and tired cliche - certainly not my experience, or that of many of my peers.

Ok, but after the many judicial reviews by GLP of PPE procurement systems and contracts, every single one of which GLP lost, you still bang on about the VIP lane. So I suspect that the investigations won’t change your assumptions at all, whatever the outcome.

The ‘Corruption tsar’ 🙄, actually the ‘Covid counter-fraud commissioner’, is due to report in December - when his office winds up - and that’ll be interesting.

Or mine. If anything I’ve moved further left as I’ve got older.

Oh well, can’t be true then.

A totally unnecessary and petty comment - pp didnt say it couldn’t be true, just that it wasn’t her experience.

Par for the course. And water off a duck’s back.

Harsh! Seemed pretty mild and uncontroversial to me.

But then prickliness from MN’s Labour posters is routine, unfortunately.

Not everything is linked to party politics, it just seemed uncalled for.

Tbf these days loads of young people are more keen on Reform and that will probably increase. Labour aren't exactly acting in the interests of young people. Shafting their employment prospects and piling on debt for many generations to come sadly.