Labour Supporters - Do you think it would help if KS was replaced?

[Mrsmunchofmunchington]

I am a life long labour voter. Like many I am incredibly disappointed, in fact I’m devastated by the direction of the current government.

Something needs to change in a pretty radical way or we are opening the door to Deform.

I’m torn between thinking the last thing we need is another revolving door at no 10 but I have lost any confidence that KS is able to lead us out of the mess the tories left us in.

Would it be a good thing to change leaders if this was possible and if so who should it be?

I'm telling you now, if you put Emily Thornbury in as Leader or Deputy Leader you are giving CatNip to Reform.

Andy Burnham is saying 'Northern Woman' for a reason.

Emily Thornbury is about as fucking out of touch with reality as it is possible to be and embodies a huge number of the grievances and concerns that voters have.

She'd be a total disaster area. As would any London MP tbh.

For me Labour are going as expected. I always felt they over promised at the GE in a way that was going to implode.

The biggest problem I have is not with individuals as such but a lack of quality players who are capable enough of doing a Cabinet level job. There far too much mediocrity within the ranks (not that I think any other party has many heavy hitters either).

Its just a bunch of people out for their own careers, and thats the perception that the vast majority of the public have right now of ALL politicians regardless of their party.

Its so unbeleivably depressing.

He’s doing appallingly, given they are already having deputy leadership election it might a good time to change leader too. I agree with Northern Woman would be better.

I think the Brexit protest voters have proved that that’s not a good strategy. A protest vote that ends in Reform is never going to be good thing for the country. You cannot trust Farage.

But it won’t just be the ‘establishment’ that gets the kick in the arse will it? It will affect all of us!

infact the establishment are less likely to feel it than the rest of us, they are all well enough off to be able to ride it out, bugger off abroad!

It will be us who have to start paying for NHS Services, lose our works rights, maternity pay, the right to an abortion!

The only people you’ll be sticking it to is us!

I don’t see the point in hammering SMEs, and generally going for tax payers. Labour are impacting the average person in a bad way. If they’re private sector that is.

Although that tends to come back onto the public sector anyway.

Labour are over for me. They are stuck in a shit show of trying to win reform voters whilst taking those on the left for granted. I can't vote for them anymore. I am waiting to hear more about your party otherwise it will be Greens or Lib Dem.

Not necessarily OP. I listened to a long interview with the Norwegian PM and he is not what you’d call a big personality. But he can explain why policies are as they are and bring voters along. I don’t think we need a big personality but I think Labour needs to be more Labour and stop pandering to Reform fans. So I’d get rid of whoever decides the agenda - McFadden? McSweeney? I think it’s the strategy that’s terribly wrong rather than the PM.

It's the policies that are the problem, not who is leading.

Change the damn policies.

No he's doing a good job, but people need to realise that there's a lot of foul play here. Trump and other right wing powers are undermining our politics. Israel has a long history of political meddling and at the moment the UK is a political target because we have a Labour government that has been critical. Trump has made it very clear what he thinks of Sadiq Khan and don't fall for nice smiles or compliments because behind closed doors Farage is being placed to be the next in number 10.

This isn't a conspiracy but a simple analysis of what is happening in our media, the critical comments by Vance on British free speech, the support for Tommy Robinson etc etc. Farage was one of the first to be invited to see Trump...this isn't a coincidence. Trump has the UK in its sights and the best way of achieving that goal is political meddling. The same is happening in Greenland right now.

So you are a fool to think Farage will help the poor old working classes because what he will do is pretty such model the UK on the US and sells the NHS and hand insurance contracts to US healthcare companies.

Because of the revolving door of the Tory PM’s some people now think we can just change PM because nirvana hadn’t happened. What this country needs is a stable government to plough through the multitude of problems left by the Tories plus Trump, Putin and Netanyahu chucking their oar in. Plus the weight of right wing media stirring the pot. Give this government a chance. We elected them for a 5 year term. Judge them at the next election

Exactly 💯. Everyone thinks a government make a difference quickly but in reality it takes years. We've had more than a decade of cuts, inequality and to reverse a small amount of that will mean tax rises and changes to make that happen.

It's the same with the NHS, Thatcher ruined NHS dentistry leaving the industry privatised by default. Because the way in which dentists get penalties and get paid means many are better not being NHS dentists at all. Decades on people can't find an NHS dentist and forced into private care. In order to reverse this takes a lot of money...and a government commitment to resolve this will have to increase taxes substantially....but no one wants to pay.

It's the same with immigration. The biggest influx of migrants happened under Boris Johnson. His points based system after Brexit saw European workers replaced with African or Sri Lankan.... people complain about this and blame Labour. It wasn't a Labour decision that took us out of Europe. The jobs they take are the ones people don't want to do and the argument that it kept wages down is ridiculous because the same people will moan when the cost of a coffee or care goes up to pay higher wages and even then employers would struggle to fill the posts

The boats or asylum seekers is a massive problem but looks across the middle east you'll see that it's hardly stable. This hasn't helped. Gaza, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, parts of Turkey, Ukraine.....all have western hallmarks of poor foreign policies......if we want to stop this look at the causes.

Surely Labour didn’t expect or want their policies to have the impact they are on businesses and growth.

I think you labour voters got exactly what you deserve. No one old enough to remember their last efforts know they are clueless about the economy . There’s never any growth all they do is rinse the working population to give to those who contribute nothing . Anything remotely sensible never gets passed their backbenchers , they rush on regardless with the net zero policy that we can’t afford , they take WFA from the needy , screw businesses into the wall causing mass unemployment .
im not sure who they stand for , the working class hate them over immigration , the middle class hate them because they’ll bankrupt everyone and anyone else just hates them .
it’s the same old labour. Strikes, protests , near bankruptcy. And where is Keir no idea amongst all this , well who knows .

This.

Starmer would be easy to replace. Just go back to the factory and ask for the same model of robot.

You’ll get the same dreary android with the defective speech software, but there’ll be a year or so extra on the guarantee.

If you want to jazz up the style for your new Starmerbot PM2 model you’d also need to ask Lord Ali for a bigger dressing up box.

Where to start. Some of the decisions that have been taken by this Government defy belief. Why are they taking a wrecking ball to entrepreneurs, to SMEs, to small farms ? Why are they raising taxes on businesses and increasing red tape ? The knock on effect is starting to feed through - little economic growth, rising inflation (as said tax increases on businesses are fed through to consumers, aka working people, in rising prices), reduced job vacancies (especially entry level). Add on top the extortionate expense of net zero, which is only going to get worse (the landfill tax next year adding £26,000 to the cost of a new build, the fertiliser tax adding further cost to food production - no wonder farmers contemplate covering their fields in Chinese solar panels) plus grid upgrades to deal with intermittent energy from solar and wind, vs stable, flexible gas which we now need to import as we can't drill the North Sea - watch the job losses in Scotland and the North of England.

The welfare cuts proposed totalled £5bn and it wouldn't have cut the welfare bill, just reduced the rate of increase. So poorly thought out, so poorly presented. The size of the public sector keeps increasing, with no productivity increases.

And then there's immigration. The Tories introduced several policies that should reduce legal immigration (after letting it run riot), but until Labour have the balls to reduce the pull factor, illegal immigration will continue - 1,100 people on the new Home Secretary's first day ! Other countries do not put illegal immigrants in hotels with £50 per week, free meals, free doctor and dentist and the potential to work illegally as delivery drivers, car washers etc. When their asylum application is rushed through and accepted, where do they live ? More problems for councils with already long waiting lists.

What a mess our country is in. Is Kier, who I believe is a decent person, as I believed Sunak is, the right man for this? No. He looks uncomfortable, he looks like he's anxious, he doesn't inspire confidence. He really needs a good Conference to assert himself, and to stop looking over his shoulder at Reform.

But Labour are not as ruthless as the Tories, so I think he stays for a while yet.

Did u mean to post the first picture?

I've reported it for you @Blossomtoes

I did too

Intangible things also have costs. For example, moving towards net zero has costs of course, but so does doing nothing. There is a cost of severe weather (drought, flooding, fires etc.) which we all pay through higher insurance, less biodiversity etc. it’s just that these costs are less obvious.

Reducing the UKs emissions to zero will have no impact on the world's weather as the main polluters like China are actually increasing theirs. But it will ruin us.

What happened to the "fully costed manifesto" and Reeves saying at the last budget,where she put £40 billion taxes on businesses (which we are now paying for in increased prices on food, energy etc and reduced job vacancies), that there would be no need for more tax rises in the future. I thought she'd fixed the foundations.

Looks like we are now getting taxes on our homes, on investment, on private pensions, on the private sector

Net zero goal needs to be approached more pragmatically and in line with our global competitors - when Germany is planning to open 30 more gas fired power stations and the US is drilling more and more, and China continues to open coal fired power plants, just how is our industrial base expected to compete internationally with the most expensive energy costs in the world ? How will the U.K. bankrupting itself to hit net zero when no one else is bothering make an impact on global emissions? In the meantime, how are Labours 1.5 million homes addressing the biodiversity issue, how is all the associated infrastructure going to mitigate flooding when we are concreting over the land that could absorb rainfall ? How will the solar farms on agricultural land maintain some element of food security ? We definitely need more houses, but it must be brownfield first

The weird thing is it all seems so obvious to presumably most people in this country. So why are Labour carrying on with their mad policies?

Thank you. I don’t even know what it was. Posted in haste. I really appreciate you doing that @Lifeinthepit.