Why do people not like Jeremy Corbyn?

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I was at a family lunch the other day with my in-laws and they were all slating the man. However, when I asked why my mother in law could only come up with her lives in an ex council house and she doesn't like his suit.

These aren't attributes I particularly care about in politicians (or really in people in general). I much prefer to find out if they are kind, think of others, hard working, honest etc ...

So! To those who dislike and to those who do... What are our thoughts on Jeremy Corbyn?

Plenty of left-wing Jews vote Corbyn. I know many!

Interesting chart, Source please @DeftShaker

I had AI put it together but, though I checked it was pulling from JPR, I should have dug deeper - some of those earlier years are dubiously sourced to the point they might even be hallucinations. Ive reported it, thanks.

Thanks for pulling. It looked dubious due to lack of references to sources.

You're not alone. Maybe it's time to stand up and be counted.

Well I don't. Why would you vote for someone who thinks Jews can never be truly British? My mum had to.listen to that stuff in the 1950s. Shocking that it's still being said today.

I mean FFS is there absolutely no one else other than a 78 year old perpetual activist on the Left? It's almost cult like. Why is the Left so obsessed with this one failed politician?

It's pretty well documented that many Jews left Labour and stopped voting Labour due to Corbyn's leadership. They started to return when Starmer took the antisemitism issue seriously (and kicked out Corbyn from the party when he didn't).

e.g. https://www.jpr.org.uk/insights/2024-uk-general-election-voting-preferences-british-jews-and-other-minorities

It's pretty well documented that many Jews left Labour and stopped voting Labour due to Corbyn's leadership. @noblegiraffe

That's true, many fell for it and were duped into thinking that the UK was on the cusp of being led by a "Jew hating", "institutionally antisemitic" ( Berger's words), Labour party. However, many didn't.

Noblegiraffe, do you mix with Reform or Liberal Jews? If you don't, then try it , you might get another perspective.

That's true, many fell for it

Perhaps they, like me, and unlike you, saw it for themselves.

Luciana Berger certainly did.

Luciana Berger was certainly subject to vile, abusive and threatening antisemitism, but not from the left.

However she spun it as if it were nearly all Labour generated. She was disingenuous. She has been rewarded with a place in the Lords, I think.
Ian Austin hasn't done too badly either.

Ah, so you did not listen to the David Icke-sponsored radio show where the Chair of the Wavertree CLP who proposed the vote of no-confidence in Luciana Berger started spreading Rothschild conspiracy theories?

Or the other senior member of the Wavertree CLP who accused Berger of "supporting the "Zionist Israeli government" whose "Nazi masters taught them well"."?

Nothing to see there, I'm sure.

Corbyn has spent his life campaigning against all types of racism. He won a peace award.
He is the most anti racist person a decent trustworthy politician you dcan find you don't see many of those these days with a few exceptions.

Corbyn spoke to the IRA the political wing you have to speak to negotiate, its the only way to get peace.

Let’s get this right. You’re saying that the people with lived experience of anti-semitism (given they’re Jewish), who decided they didn’t fancy a leader who has always shown a sense of empathy if not outright support for various foreign organisations who publicly proclaim their dislike of the Jewish people, are just a bit dim and easily misled by Luciana Berger?

Jesus wept.

Starmer kicked out of his party many Jews who stood up against Israel's tacism against Palestinians, they were the wrong type of Jew apparently. Thousands joined Labour before Starmer now thousands have left.because of Starmer his polices or lack and his support for Isreal's Genocide. Never again means never again for all people.

What was his standing to "negotiate" on behalf of the (Conservative) government at the time he invited IRA members for tea to the House of Commons just after the IRA Brighton bombing?

Yes. Did he speak to the Loyalists? Because they were his 'other side' or did he just blow smoke up the arses of the IRA, promising them things he couldn't deliver, as the actual team who negotiated the GFA said he did?

Presumably the IRA who hated the British government couldn't believe their luck that some idiot actually invited them in just after they bombed the British government!.

Corbyn has had his chats with his friends in Hamas and Hezbollah so is presumably now in serious talks with Israel?

I like him. He was the MP for the area I grew up in for many many years and my mother was involved in local politics so met him occasionally at events and he visited our home a few times .

My mother who was a conservative who loved Margaret Thatcher in the 80s had a lot of time for him and used to say he was an excellent MP.

He definitely got flack for his attitude to the IRA in the 80s and 90s but his stance is deeply anti violence which means he is willing to talk to terrorists if it thinks it might bring about peace. He cares very little if that makes him look bad or 'soft' or 'an apologist for terrorism '

I suppose you could call him naive some think his attitude is too soft and might lead to 'appeasement ' I don't think he'd have made a good prime minister as he is probably too inflexible and gets people's backs up.

I still quite like him though I absolutely don't agree with his gender views and he is like a lot of males of his age in politics probably quite misogynistic. He worked very hard as an MP and he was deeply involved at a community level and really did seem to care about helping his constituents

Calling him evil is ridiculous in my opinion. i think he is too ernest and not jaded, it makes people angry for some reason. Fuck knows why.

Jesus wept indeed. The level of debate here is abysmal.

definitely got flack for his attitude to the IRA in the 80s and 90s but his stance is deeply anti violence which means he is willing to talk to terrorists if it thinks it might bring about peace. He cares very little if that makes him look bad or 'soft' or 'an apologist for terrorism
I think the issue with many pacifists ( like Corbyn who is cushioned from the consequences of aggression by his class and status) is that they end up victim blaming. Because if you have an aggressor who can just roll into a country and take over, there is no war ( eg Crimea) but if the victim of the aggression fights back you have a war (Ukraine). They end up coming up with ridiculous arguments like ' let's ask Russia to test their own Novichok to see if they were responsible for killing someone' because the alternative is to admit that they are hopelessly naive if they think that if only X happened there would be no war.

He is a good MP indeed, I know this personally. He's not infallible though and some of his views are questionable at best. He needs to listen to people other than those who tell him he's right all the time.

He may well be a good constituency MP, but he was an utter catastrophe as Labour leader and that is how he has impacted most people.