Why do people not like Jeremy Corbyn?

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I was at a family lunch the other day with my in-laws and they were all slating the man. However, when I asked why my mother in law could only come up with her lives in an ex council house and she doesn't like his suit.

These aren't attributes I particularly care about in politicians (or really in people in general). I much prefer to find out if they are kind, think of others, hard working, honest etc ...

So! To those who dislike and to those who do... What are our thoughts on Jeremy Corbyn?

Unfortunately I think Tony Blair destroyed the labour party in 1997. Jeremy Corbyn is very much like Harold Wilson in his attitude to a lot of topics from what I've read.

Tony Blair is the best and most successful Labour leader and PM there’s been.

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I posted mine already on this thread....

Anti-West stance
Corbyn hates the West. He will automatically side with any country that also hates the West and that means he would be disastrous for the defence of the country. As I have posted before, this led to him suggesting that Assad gassed his own people, that we should allow Russia to investigate whether they were behind the novichok poisoning in Salisbury, and he blamed NATO for Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Iran is anti-west, so of course Corbyn has made several appearances on Iranian government TV.

Hanging out with terrorists
His rabidly Anti-West stance means that Corbyn spends a lot of time in the company of undesirables. Famously spent a lot of time with the IRA (a file opened on him by MI5 as a potential threat to national security), inviting two people who had been in prison for IRA-related offences to the House of Commons just after the Brighton bombings. Who else did he invite to the House of Commons? His "friends" in Hamas and Hezbollah.
Here he is saying that the British government labelling Hamas as terrorists would be a big historical mistake because Hamas are just working for peace in the region https://x.com/timescorbyn/status/1724186336922386655?s=61&t=U9XrcF693-JpMxeIueYG7g
Post October 7th, who does it appear was making a big mistake with that statement? Not Corbyn of course- he was asked by Piers Morgan to label Hamas as terrorists and he refused https://x.com/piersmorgan/status/1724169911415504901?s=61&t=U9XrcF693-JpMxeIueYG7g

That's because the hard left when challenged dig in

Brexit
Anti-West Corbyn is obviously not a fan of the EU. Perhaps that was why he made such a balls-up of Brexit policy post referendum that contributed to the election defeat against Boris Johnson who at least had a clear view. https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-corbyns-changing-brexit-stance

Corbyn before Party
Post-Brexit referendum he lost a no-confidence vote of his own MPs by 172-40. Did he resign, having lost the confidence of his colleagues? Of course not. He then led Labour to an election defeat against Theresa May. Did he then resign? No, he then led Labour to a crushing election defeat against Boris Johnson. Could a different leader with a strong stance on Brexit have taken on Johnson? Possibly. They could hardly have done worse (Labour's worst electoral defeat since 1935) - Corbyn was named as a big problem for Labour by many voters. Did he then resign? No, he said he wanted to stay on during a period of reflection. What a tit.

Blindspot for antisemitism
Antisemtism was a huge problem in the Labour Party under Corbyn and was poorly dealt with. Corbyn denied this, and the 130 page report detailing it. Calling the report overblown was what (rightly) got him kicked out of Labour. The famous anti-racist campaigner didn't support Luciana Berger, one of his own MPs who was the victim of vicious antisemitic attacks. People rightly criticise Starmer for his treatment of Rosie Duffield, but the template for the handling of Duffield was Luciana Berger. This blindspot for antisemitism is a direct consequence of his anti-West stance (which is of course automatically anti-Israel) which leads him to be around so many actively open antisemites (e.g. Hamas) that he just doesn't recognise it as a problem.

Oh dear.

You know just because the government has been shit it doesn't mean that corbyn won't be either.

The Jews control the world and the Muslims are a large voter base for starmer, that's why he can't make his mind up 😂

Well despite your "naughty boy" list , his constituents, who had years of experience of him, voted in such numbers that he trounced even his labour opponent at the last election. Perhaps they didn't fall for it, or is it that the residents of Islington North are all just wide-eyed, anti-semitic trots from the lunatic fringe ?
The same question can also be asked of the 10 million elsewhere in the country that were prepared to vote for him.
So whilst you may disapprove of him, many don't.

the residents of Islington North are all just wide-eyed, anti-semitic trots from the lunatic fringe ?

I thought that was well known?

That's your response? To call that list of serious concerns a 'naughty boy' list? That doesn't suggest his supporters have actually critically engaged with the issue, does it?

And, what do you think of the more people who voted for Boris Johnson's Conservatives, who beat Corbyn's Labour? That must mean that the many and obvious flaws of Boris Johnson are all just smears and lies, right?

Ha. Good point. Mustn't be two tier about naughty boy lists.

IMO Corbyn is far more extremist than Farage - if he was in power that is. Thankfully the saner part of the electorate agreed with me. Not that I am anyway near being a supporter of Farage but there is in no way a comparison.

And, what do you think of the more people who voted for Boris Johnson's Conservatives, who beat Corbyn's Labour? That must mean that the many and obvious flaws of Boris Johnson are all just smears and lies, right? @noblegiraffe

I'm sorry, I don't follow your argument..... You've lost me..... perhaps that was your intention ;-}

We're just going to have to disagree on Saint Jezza of Islington.

And it's only our right leaning system here in the UK that puts Corbyn in the "extremist" camp. Were he to be in Norway he'd probably be seen as "soft-left".

You can't follow your own argument when it is applied to Boris Johnson?

There's probably a reason for that. It's because it's a stupid argument.

Your comparison is nonsense. Johnson's main flaws were either disregarded or laughed off, whereas JC was ( according to nearly all the press) only one storey short of throwing kittens off the top of tower blocks, which of course he would have been doing, had he not been too busy looking at murals, talking to Terrorists and explaining irony. He's a very naughty man who wanted to make the UK a more equitable country and was too naive to understand just how much resistance he would face from those for whom the status quo delivered a very comfortable lifestyle.

It's like you've addressed none of the points made in my rather long post of issues with Corbyn and decided to witter on about the press instead.

And your characterising these issues of being anti-west, fucking up over Brexit, refusing to resign when he should have, presiding over a party riddled with antisemitism and not supporting Jewish MPs who were the victims of racist attacks as being a 'very naughty man' is just bizarre.

Bit like Boris Johnson then. As for Brexit, he was a staunch remainer until he saw a vacany at number 10. He also agreed to help a businessman friend inflict grevous bodily harm on a journalist. If we're talking morally bankrupt (and there are plenty of other examples in his repetoire), look no further.

Why? What makes you think so? Why is what happens in asset-rich Norway (oil, gas, minerals; total population 5,600,000) relevant to the UK?

Are you saying this because of the policies he proposed in the 2019 General Election which was Labour’s worst defeat in recent times, when he lost huge swathes of the red wall, including seats like Worksop?

Because if this is what you mean, why not define your terms a bit? Policies haven’t been the focus or subject of this thread. Corbyn’s support of pro-nationalist groups, and his ‘getting behind the underdog, as viewed from a UK-centric perspective’ have dominated the debate here.

No. He wouldn’t. Norway take their defence security very seriously.

He'd certainly be more "mainstream left" on economic policy but, yes, his national defence and foreign policy positions would be even more extreme by Scandinavian standards.

That said, if he wants to fuck off to Norway, I'd support that.

Norway is a proper country. They wouldn't let him in.

I think Finland might have something to say about his presence closer to them…

I feel the same. Left wing Jews have nobody to vote for any more.

A small positive side effect is that the racist contingent of the Labour Party will hopefully leave for Corbyn's new endeavor.

Yeah, I don't like that it splits the vote, but counting on the support of racists isn't acceptable.