Actually Pro Immigration- Hear Me Out?

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I have always been, and will always be, pro immigrant, pro asylum seeker, and pro refugee. It saddens me that I seem to be in the vast minority these days, the lack of empathy from the general population of the UK in 2025 is disgraceful imo.

I chose as part of my career to support refugees, and it has opened my eyes even more every day. The tragedies these young people have gone through are unimaginable for anyone here, and the treatment they get when they arrive is appalling.

When illegal immigration is brought up in a political context, it is always devoid of humanity, vulnerable people spoken about like an invasive species. I implore anyone so far removed from the realities of ‘illegal’ immigrants, especially those who risked their lives to be here, to volunteer for a refugee charity.

These are children, overjoyed to learn simple words so they can make friends with our children in the playground. Teenagers, completely overwhelmed by food they’ve never seen before (like fish fingers!). Young families, so grateful to a country that wants them to ‘go back to where they come from’ even if they die there.

It’s heartbreaking, and it makes me sick. Every time I see the Reform lot, racists, and other bigots treating immigrants as the scapegoat, I can’t help but think of my little students, their families, and the stories they’ve told me of life before they arrived.

It baffles me how people can go on about ‘British values’ while showing absolutely no kindness to the people who need it most. What’s the point of this national pride if it’s built on cruelty and exclusion? I see so much ‘we need to look after our own first’ rhetoric, but why can’t we do both? Why does helping people fleeing war and persecution make you angry? Why is that your line in the sand?

If anyone else is feeling like this, works in this area, or has something to add I’d love to hear it. If you’re going to try and change my opinion, please save your energy ❤️

Changed my username for this one because I’m discussing my professional life and opinions rather than my family life. Long time user over several accounts. Thanks for reading, sorry if it’s a rant.

Or was it the Vikings? Or before them, the Romans? Definitely Roman influence still everywhere - Britain, France, Albania, Greece, Turkey, Macedonia.

The issue in Britain now is not so much the asylum seekers, but the legal migration which I don't really understand. I work in a school and every week we are getting new applications from children whose parents have come from India, the Philippines and Zimbabwe mostly to work in tech companies or the NHS. Not sure why we can't recruit from within this country particularly given the very poor job situation for graduates currently. We also get quite a few children from South Africa, fleeing the awful situation there.

Meh that old defence. As I said people are still feeling the effects of British colonisation today. Go visit one of those countries and talk to some of the indigenous people and maybe broaden your mind a bit. So that's why I don't have much sympathy and find the attitudes somewhat amusing because it's karma.

As far as legitimate, skilled immigrants taking skilled jobs, well that's probably because the white folk either don't want to or aren't educated enough. I mean look at how British devalue education on here. If there is a job open and no one to fill it then what is the problem?

That too.
I know plenty of people like OP.

Born well-off, studied social sciences, hate the state and the British culture they see as the oppressor because they feel guilty for their privilege, yet become a public servant or work for organisations funded by the state and the taxpayers because they wouldn’t go dirty their souls in the corporate world, spend their careers dismantling and slagging off the state but living off from it (which is not very honourable), and think this « self-sacrifice » makes them so much better than anyone else so they can dismiss and despise the rest of the population who doesn’t share their views.

They childishly objectify and fetishise migrants and foreign cultures like we can see here, and can I also mention they still manage to put themselves into a position of influence over these migrants, and if that’s not paternalistic and colonialist again, what is that?

And these people do this not for the migrants, not for the country, not for a better world, but for themselves. Ultimately they want to say that they are « better » than the rest, it’s an emotional personal investment (as you can read above, logic is definitely not their strong suit). They built their personality (and their career) on it. That’s why you can’t reason with them or have them concede anything. Even in front of reality.

Still not a word of compassion for that girl attacked in Epping or similar cases. Not a word. But full posts trying to diminish that reality and her plight. Shameful people, really.

I am still steaming about the poster who said that their sympathies lay with the Manchester Arena bomber because of “colonialism” yada yada.

It seems a few loudmouths think we need to be punished for colonising other countries. Like a pp, my forebears - even very recent forebears (dm as a child was hospitalised for malnutrition in the 1930s) - were not exactly living it up Downton Abbey-style.

And what about France/Italy/Begium? Are they all full of people who must atone for their sins? They all had colonies.

Could OP et al explain why men - presumably keen to come here to make a new life - commit crimes? Yes, UK citizens commit crimes, but why would you make the effort to travel here and behave in a less than optimal manner?

And offer them what? We have no spare housing. Our education system is falling apart. The young people we already have can't get decent jobs. We have a mental health crisis fueled by lack of hope, drug addiction and over crowding

Until we can offer people hope of a decent life, we are simply creating a new generation of angry young men and criminals/potential victims.

I understand the urge to help and your kindness does you credit, but your instincts are piling up troubles for the future. We need to stabilise the population we already have before we can absorb more.

If OP wants to really help women and children (and help feed her need to feel morally superior) she should be campaigning against all UK capacity to help refugees being absorbed by the men arriving illegally from France etc.
Like most people I recognise most of these men just want to work and get a future for themselves but only a moron would say the current arrivals are those in most need.
The asylum business is large scale organised crime and not good for the UK or the world. OP is a fool.

I have a poorly three year old, I don’t have all the time in the world to reply and I want to reply to everything thoughtfully, so please bear with me.

I discussed numbers in response to the ‘line in the sand’ comment, in short saying the whole system needs to change rather than accepting more people the way it is now.

I don’t think people don’t know anything about the situation, I think most are just too far removed to really understand it and just see these real people as a political talking point.

On the amusing karma point how many people would like to see come here to satisfy that?

I guess it would probably need to be more than the current population to make it fair? One thing that is different at least these ones aren't bringing in diseases that kill the local population (unlike the British)

More than the current population, sounds feasible. In which country do you live?

I take it you don't live near one of these hotels where these men hang around all day? I do and I can tell you now the police are constantly in there. My teenage daughters cannot walk near the hotel as they will be harassed. Our local social housing estate is full of these people who have been given properties whilst local families remain in b and bs for years.

People have had enough and rightly so.

So children of criminals are criminals too and should be treated as such?
So we should keep on punishing Germany and German people because of what the Nazis did before they were born?

So fair, so progressive, so empathetic, so kind.

It’s not a nice realisation about oneself that my wish to help those less fortunate ends when it requires me to give up my own pleasant environment and my daughters safety. I suspect most of us as mothers feel the same. I wish I were selfless enough to give that up for others comfort but actually im
not.

I am trying to find a specific comment to reply to but it’s been mentioned by a few different people so I wanted to clear it up. I don’t just work with, or care about, children and women.

A lot of my work is with teenage boys, young men and some older men- mostly but not always Arabic speakers. These men, in the vast majority, are lovely but scared and trying their best to make a new life for themselves and their families without understanding the language or customs of their new home.

I have decided not to reply to anyone that I feel is just being racist, it’s not worthy of the time or effort needed to respond.

Sorry I can’t reply faster to everyone else, we’re all sick and miserable today in my household unfortunately.

I don’t think it’s unusual for someone who works in this area to feel the situation should continue and to have empathy with the people they meet.

It’s a huge system which involves many people. Including the profits of those moving people, these gangs do the best of all financially.

Of course we know they are real people. I see them every day in the streets around my home.

Nobody is far too removed from it. Nobody except for the rich elites like Emily Maitlis earning hundreds of thousands a year for calling working class white people racist of course.

That is your mistake, believing we are talking hypothetically instead of what is acutely visible in hundreds of towns around the country.

I went to a protest last night as a member of the Women's Safety Initiative and got Nazi shouted at me by a small group of Unite union protesters.

So many were grey faced limp looking people, looking as if they sit indoors all day reading the guardian about how bigoted English people are.
Out they came with their Union paid for signs shouting racist at working men and women.

These are the people removed from reality. They are not the men building houses and fixing drains.

And this demand for legal routes for asylum seekers is just mind boggling.

How does that play out in the real world?

A new global welfare department set up for global asylum applications.

Thousands of UK state employees costing hundreds of billions.

A billion applicants in year one.

Thousands of lawyers to be paid by the UK taxpayers to fight the thousands of state employees for years for every single one of the billion applicants.

100s of thousands of pounds spent on every single application. Before they even get here. Then a house bought for them and their families. Benefits for all indefinitely.

Absolutely insane.

No I have absolutely nothing in common with a load of men who hate women and want to turn uk islamic or exploit our welfare system (which is what some of them are saying on tik tok). In lefty world they are the most vulnerable just as men masquerading as women are in the trans debate but in my world women and children and older citizens such as the 60 year old man who was raped by one of these asylum seekers or the man in Hartlepool who was murdered by one because he was perceived to be a Christian are the most vulnerable.

Do you often form your opinions from TikTok videos?

No I form them on the facts and what the people who live around these hotels say who know more than anyone. Just pointing out what the illegal migrants themselves are saying as people like you like to do.

Agree with all of this, and the fact many people on here are fine with that and want to cart everybody in is alarming.

I completely agree.

the whole 'do you watch too much TikTok' is so unoriginal

using the word “ hate”

The manipulative escalation of “disagreement” into “hate” strongly suggests a stance that is askew.

it’s an inflammatory distortion and not trust inspiring.

For many people this is an existential threat which could turn what was a unified safe country into a low trust dangerous Balkan style country at risk of war for the first time in history. What a terrible situation to leave our children just so the few out of touch rich people who run this country and can easily move can feel good about themselves.

If it were children and families, I think people would be a lot more tolerant. But it’s not is it? It’s clearly large groups of young men. Hundreds and thousands arriving on the daily.

We have a housing crisis, an NHS crisis, a tanking economy. Where do we absorb all these men who, like pp have said, arrive with patriarchal and regressive worldviews. You’re incredibly naive if you think this is good news for society.

There is a reason they don’t stop in France. I think the answer to this is to cut off what’s drawing them here. Generous benefits and a free NHS. See the boats disappear overnight.