Actually Pro Immigration- Hear Me Out?

[n4mech4ng3r]

I have always been, and will always be, pro immigrant, pro asylum seeker, and pro refugee. It saddens me that I seem to be in the vast minority these days, the lack of empathy from the general population of the UK in 2025 is disgraceful imo.

I chose as part of my career to support refugees, and it has opened my eyes even more every day. The tragedies these young people have gone through are unimaginable for anyone here, and the treatment they get when they arrive is appalling.

When illegal immigration is brought up in a political context, it is always devoid of humanity, vulnerable people spoken about like an invasive species. I implore anyone so far removed from the realities of ‘illegal’ immigrants, especially those who risked their lives to be here, to volunteer for a refugee charity.

These are children, overjoyed to learn simple words so they can make friends with our children in the playground. Teenagers, completely overwhelmed by food they’ve never seen before (like fish fingers!). Young families, so grateful to a country that wants them to ‘go back to where they come from’ even if they die there.

It’s heartbreaking, and it makes me sick. Every time I see the Reform lot, racists, and other bigots treating immigrants as the scapegoat, I can’t help but think of my little students, their families, and the stories they’ve told me of life before they arrived.

It baffles me how people can go on about ‘British values’ while showing absolutely no kindness to the people who need it most. What’s the point of this national pride if it’s built on cruelty and exclusion? I see so much ‘we need to look after our own first’ rhetoric, but why can’t we do both? Why does helping people fleeing war and persecution make you angry? Why is that your line in the sand?

If anyone else is feeling like this, works in this area, or has something to add I’d love to hear it. If you’re going to try and change my opinion, please save your energy ❤️

Changed my username for this one because I’m discussing my professional life and opinions rather than my family life. Long time user over several accounts. Thanks for reading, sorry if it’s a rant.

I must pick you up on one thing - you may be justified in criticising France, however, you're incorrect to say that "Islamophobia is... even written into law".
No. There are no Islamophobic laws in France. It is a secular country, and they have laws prohibiting all religions from dominating in society.

@notanormalday yep I can’t believe we’re just letting random men into this country to do whatever they like hanging around town centres - as with Ukraine no joined up thinking
These migrants need to be given a heavy indoctrination in what it means to live in Britain how you behave what is acceptable and what is not plus maybe a little bit of community work you know give a bit back. We are in rural Gloucestershire our local school has new starters every week who don’t speak English and parents who don’t either. It’s not great for the kids in the class and they’ve been given new homes on the new estate. It’s creating a lot of tension in the community

Of course, no single country can take in everyone in need. It can’t just be about numbers though, that’s not how I view it. It’s about having a system rooted in compassion and basic human decency.

People who have risked everything to escape war, persecution, or extreme poverty deserve to be met with kindness, offered safety, medical care, and the stability to begin rebuilding their lives. Instead of turning people away or treating them as threats, we should be working with other countries to share responsibility and find sustainable ways to support those seeking refuge or even just a better life.

It's not how many can we take rather how can we create a system that keeps people safe while helping them integrate and contribute or relocate.

I guess that's my line- I believe everyone deserves a chance to live without fear, no matter where they were born, and we should be doing what we can, globally, to make that possible.

@n4mech4ng3r theyre not exactly getting the memo though are they ? Sweden had your attitude not anymore they are deporting faster than anything
that rapist where all the protests are 4 days he was here
the three teenage Romanians who raped that girl in Ireland. They are turning our country into a third world it’s a fucking disgrace and I’m glad France is secular at least they know what they stand for our country is finished. We’ve let all these men in who the fuck are they ? I know one thing they’re not upstanding members of society they are here to destroy our western liberal attitude and we welcomed them

Suicidal empathy, unfortunately.

Well meaning liberals are part of the problem.

OP I agree with every word you say, but I fear that the likes of you and me are very much in the minority.

@User32459 yes you’re right left wing liberals taking the moral high ground well removed from the reality most others have to live in. Three Fridays ago we had a lock down in two local primary schools a clown walking around with a machete there’s been a total media blackout since it happened. I only know it did happen because my builders son goes there and they had an email.

It's simple, really. They've always put refugees and people with similar high level social needs where there is economic hardship. They put the people who need the least around the people who have the least, and then there is a competition for scarce resources.

This creates fear and sends us into survival mode. We will do anything to ensure the survival of us and ours. That includes metaphorically killing anyone who could theoretically be after the same food and water sources as we are.

It works as a distraction. The people who benefit the most from keeping people poor become aspirational heroes or the arch nemesis of those in that struggle. The people then use a disproportionate amount of energy either supporting or attempting to take down these figures. Simultaneously, all those poor people misplace their anger and fear by blaming each other instead of pulling together to overthrow the regime that keeps them in this loop.

Another generation passes and inequality increases.

At the moment, they are trying to convince women, particularly white women, that we will be a lot safer if we didn't have immigrant men around. The trouble is that we know we are far more likely to be harmed by a man we know, and white women mostly associate with white men.

They are gaslighting us into believing this because we are becoming more aware that it isn't just the poorest white men who are harming women and girls. It is a classless issue. To distract us from that horrific reality that the police officer, teacher, banker and jobless drug addict are pretty much equally dangerous to the female sex, they are making us target the non-white ones.

It's not really families people have an issue with. Look at Ukraine scheme - women and children welcomed with open arms.

It's boatloads of young men from often incompatible cultures breaking into the country that people generally have an issue with. Thousands of people coming on visas from places like India and Pakistan and claiming asylum when they're here.

Our generosity is taken as weakness by other cultures. I'd love to invite more women here who are trapped elsewhere - but that's not what we're getting.

They just don't live in these areas and soon change their tune if it impacts on them.

i absolutely agree with everything you have said, and it’s heartbreaking that lack of empathy is justified with what about us mentality. However saying that this is a global issue that can’t be solved by thousands of people coming to European countries for all the reasons people have mentioned. The solution is to end world debt, to make once thriving countries have stability again, Afghanistan is a perfect example here, the 1970s was a golden age for rights and the economy. Tyranny and dictatorships need to go, we need a global sense of ownership of the world’s poorest people. We need to share the world’s wealth evenly. One of the saddest statistics I know is 90% of the world’s wealth is shared amongst 10% of the worlds population and 10% of the worlds wealth is divided between 90% of the worlds populations.

Over 130 of the world’s countries have a GDP per capita of less than £12,000, and 30 less than £1000. The top 6 wealthiest people on the planet could fix world debt vaccination programs etc- but as we know space is more of a priority. The world’s expenditure on weapons could stop child poverty.

finally climate. We are ruining our climate, as a result the poorest countries are suffering drought, famine, floods, all kinds of weather disasters. And we feel a fraction of it- yet cause the lions share.

we have to get our acts together and work on a global level, before the human race destroys itself in a matter of a few generations.

I agree with everything you have said too @n4mech4ng3r

I personally think the best way to positively promote British culture and values is by volunteering in or participating in institutions that support communities such as sports clubs, protecting the environment, meals on wheels etc.
All these institutions are now declining from lack of participation and increasingly isolated lives.

What annoys me about your attitude is that the English were happy to go and do this to so many other countries, had far worse behaviour they never respected anyone else and the effects of colonialism is still felt in those countries today. The English were the original boat people!

I see OP is ignoring any discussion on numbers. She is the worthy one bathing in a glow of self righteousness but difficult things are for other people not her.

It’s that teenager way of arguing. Someone wants to debate something and the naive and smug response is to assume that everyone else knows nothing.

I agree we need to work very hard to support and integrate the huge numbers of new arrivals. Not going to happen while the systems and population are overwhelmed by the numbers is it?

This colonial guilt stuff is the best argument for the UK taking responsibility for migrants. Personally however I think the UK has always been a rich country full of many poor people and still has a right to control its borders and protect its population.
When the colonists were doing their thing my ancestors were extremely poor miners.The people in the UK today haven’t colonised anywhere.

It's irrelevant if they specifically didn't, because their ancestors did and the effect of that is still felt by people today. So good if guilt is felt, as it should be. The dismissive attitude is so wrong.

Nope my ancestors didn't colonise anyone, they were serfs and workers in the industrial revolution working 14 hour days from the age of about 12 and didn't even have the vote so I have zero colonial guilt (and ditto for most other people). Educate yourself about the history of the working class. Their descendants are now the ones suffering the effects of this influx of illegals whilst poshos whose families did do the colonialism virtual signal and call them racist. . The members of the SWP/stand up to racism etc I've seen interviewed are without fail extremely well off public school types as im sure is the op. Unbelievable.

I think most people are furious over illegal immigration now. It’s because the boats are full of men, the hotels are full of men etc. If they were full of women and children, I think there’d be more compassion. The reason the government want these men is because they provide cheap labour and plenty of working hours, it’s a capitalist’s dream. It’s shouldn’t be a left wing position to support this.

As you said, there’s a lot of men in our culture that disrespect women. However, they are our men, they are our problem to pay to imprison and house away from schools etc. We shouldn’t have to also worry about paying to keep men from other countries locked away because they’ve committed violent acts.

France isn’t a war torn country so they don’t need to flee it. They might not like it and they might experience racism, but that doesn’t mean their lives are in danger and they have no choice but to flee.

I often hear people say ‘most sexual offenders in the UK are white’ or ‘the UK has taken a lot less immigrants than Germany or France’. Well yes because most of the men in the UK are white and Germany and France are much bigger than us!

Convenient narrative you can tell yourself, but it's a cop out and hypocritical. You can't pick and choose what suits you, you live in a country that was built on exploiting others!

I don't think it is the Chatsworth House in Derbyshire, it's a hotel called the same in a completely different location, maybe you could link and confirm.

But instead of grouping with people who have similar disadvantages to them, the white poor consistently try to ingratiate themselves with the more powerful classes. Thats always been our problem. We have more in common with the immigrants on the boats than we do The Rich.

That's because the problem white women and girls have when it comes to male violence isn't perpetrated by immigrants. The people who are most dangerous to them are their boyfriend's, brothers, sons and fathers.

They are trying to distract white British women from this by pretending immigrant men are the problem. No, the problem is already in your home and has every right by birth to be here.

@Shadowpalkia yes, those men at home are very much disgusting and in need of being locked up and away from women and children. I think that’s the case across the board though. Male relatives are in close proximity to do the most damage sadly.

All I’m saying is that of course there are more British male sex offenders in Britain. We need to lock them away for the safety of society. We just don’t also need men from other countries to worry about on top of that.

But there are no plans to tackle this issue of male violence where we are more likely to experience it. Instead you and others are using your efforts to complain about immigrant men when the chances of you being attacked by one is very much closer to zero. Can you see how you've been gaslighted into looking the other way?

These men in power have no plans to stop killing their wives, raping their mistresses and harning their daughters, so they point at some immigrant guy getting off of a boat and you follow their finger and squeal in alarm. Meanwhile a British woman next door is slaughtered by her husband and you never saw it coming when the local press interview you.

Tackling all male violence against women and girls would inevitably also reduce the rare times a foreign stranger attacks a white British woman. After all, stranger rape is the least frequent type that occurs.