Actually Pro Immigration- Hear Me Out?

[n4mech4ng3r]

I have always been, and will always be, pro immigrant, pro asylum seeker, and pro refugee. It saddens me that I seem to be in the vast minority these days, the lack of empathy from the general population of the UK in 2025 is disgraceful imo.

I chose as part of my career to support refugees, and it has opened my eyes even more every day. The tragedies these young people have gone through are unimaginable for anyone here, and the treatment they get when they arrive is appalling.

When illegal immigration is brought up in a political context, it is always devoid of humanity, vulnerable people spoken about like an invasive species. I implore anyone so far removed from the realities of ‘illegal’ immigrants, especially those who risked their lives to be here, to volunteer for a refugee charity.

These are children, overjoyed to learn simple words so they can make friends with our children in the playground. Teenagers, completely overwhelmed by food they’ve never seen before (like fish fingers!). Young families, so grateful to a country that wants them to ‘go back to where they come from’ even if they die there.

It’s heartbreaking, and it makes me sick. Every time I see the Reform lot, racists, and other bigots treating immigrants as the scapegoat, I can’t help but think of my little students, their families, and the stories they’ve told me of life before they arrived.

It baffles me how people can go on about ‘British values’ while showing absolutely no kindness to the people who need it most. What’s the point of this national pride if it’s built on cruelty and exclusion? I see so much ‘we need to look after our own first’ rhetoric, but why can’t we do both? Why does helping people fleeing war and persecution make you angry? Why is that your line in the sand?

If anyone else is feeling like this, works in this area, or has something to add I’d love to hear it. If you’re going to try and change my opinion, please save your energy ❤️

Changed my username for this one because I’m discussing my professional life and opinions rather than my family life. Long time user over several accounts. Thanks for reading, sorry if it’s a rant.

@Shadowpalkia I’m not turning the other way. It’s not either or, they are both issues to me. I donate to my local domestic abuse shelter after my mother was abused at home and couldn’t leave. I know domestic abuse is a massive problem.

It doesn’t mean the grooming gangs, the sexual assault of the girl in Essex etc didn’t happen. I don’t support the fact there are pedos in that group rioting at all either btw. I’m not aligned with them. I’m just saying there is an issue with both.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/03/10/foreigners-commit-up-to-quarter-of-sex-crimes/

FOI requests found that men from Afghanistan and Eritrea were had more than 20 times more sexual crime convictions per 10000 population of that nationality than Britons.

Even with only 10% of sexual assaults being committed by a stranger, that still makes them a higher risk.

And presumably they won't renain a stranger to everyone in the community forever.

It's not convenient to bleeding heart lefty liberals, but the risk is real. Stop gasllighting.

Are you on duty outside the Britannia today, OP? Just asking on behalf of the ‘racist facist scum ‘ aka local inhabitants and tax payers.

But there are white British girls being groomed by all types of white British men right now too. You've just been told to focus on the ones with brown skin who do it.

The issue is violent, abusive men. All men. Taking your eye off of that for even a moment to point fingers at a specific group of men is letting down women and girls.

It doesn't show that they commit those crimes. It shows that they are arrested for them. It may also mean that many, many white men commit those crimes but aren't arrested. So it might actually show that you are only likely to be arrested for sex crimes if you are from Eritrea or Afghanistan.

I've just read in the Spectator 'The ministry of Defence believes the 'vast majority' of 2022's preposterously profuse 100,000 claims (from Afghanistan) to have worked with British armed forces were bogus.'....................another piece 'The term 'family' may mean different things to different people in different contexts.' This was a comment by Justice Kip who is deciding on who gets in.

Sadly it looks like the UK is going to be further ruined when Farage gets in in an act of desperation by citizens who want fewer immigrants.

So determined to keep to the right-thinking view that you can't seem to apply any critical thinking.

If it was all down to biased policing and judges, why would the different types of crimes have such different nationalities topping the charts?

When you hear hooves, think horses not zebras.

YEs it does it actually, it says they were Convicted - that means they did the crimes not just accused.

I am just saying what that study shows in the context we already have, like the conviction rate for sex crimes being very low. Showing arrests doesn't show much. Convictions are a better measure as at least it has been tried in court. Still problematic, but better.

Still if we are attacked by someone from Eritrea and Afghanistan, or maybe even look like they are, at least we have some basis for thinking they might actually be prosecuted for it.

Wow, it's actually you who isn't applying critical thinking. It's like in the US, yes more black men are in prison because they're the ones who are targeted and arrested.

https://www-dailymail-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14599087/amp/foreign-nationalities-arrested-sex-offences.html?amp_js_v=0.1&usqp=mq331AQIUAKwASCAAgM%3D#

It is reported as arrests in some places, convictions in others, but seems to come from the same studies. It doesn't seem like this review of literature has been done very well.

@Shadowpalkia see I think it is different because the grooming gangs seemed to act on their beliefs towards white girls. The girls were targeted because they were white and the attackers were protected because they weren’t. I think that’s why it’s different.

Women in the UK can live, work, vote freely and wear what we want. If men harm us, we can report this to the police.

That’s just not the case in the countries a lot of male immigrants come from. Their attitudes don’t magically disappear the moment their feet touch UK soil.

You are failing women and girls by defending men who have been charged in that case study because you care more about diversity than real sexual assault victims.

I worked in aid and development for many years and have seen a lot of unrelenting extreme poverty. I remember once visiting an orphanage where children with disabilities were lying on the floor in little more than rags, flies all over them. If I could, I’d have taken each of those babies home with me but of course I couldn’t. Instead a group of us worked hard to lobby the local government to actually fund some staff and equipment and we sourced grants and money too.

The answer is not to constantly relocate people to other countries but to lobby for change where they are. There are sometimes geo and political things preventing that, global corruption, the effects of poor rainfall, limited education etc but there is often huge resource within the country itself, it just doesn’t get to the ordinary person.

And yes, I think we should accept a set amount of refugees each year but at the moment, that’s not what is happening. We have an open border policy of people from places like Turkey, Armenia, Eritrea. They are economic migrants and yes, everyone should be able to build a life for themselves but the reality is, once settled in the UK, less than half go on into employment. So they get a better quality of life funded by the taxpayer. And they are able to apply to bring their families to do the same.

That is unfair and unsustainable. And that’s before you look at crime, pressures on local services etc.

So yes OP, they are real people with real stories but while you might work with people at the settlement phase, you’re not seeing the huge harm caused to existing communities by the steady uncontrolled arrival of new people.

I dont see much difference between a man who thinks all women are objects, to a man that thinks particularly groups of women are objects. If anything, at least the latter group of men think some women have some worth.

In sheer numbers, there are more middle classed white married husbands grooming vulnerable women and girls than there are white girls being groomed by Asian gangs. I'd be more worried about what my sons' might be doing with their girlfriends, or my daughter and her relationship with the "nice boy" in her class, than what an foreign stranger might do to my daughter. Statistically, that's where harm is most likely to occur.

You want to focus on one subset of men who commit violence. I want to focus on all men who commit violence. Especially those most likely to be welcomed into my home.

I’d be pro immigration if my career depended on it too. Hardly an unbiased view on the subject when you earn a living from it.

The newspapers are just pulling out different data to comment on.

1000 arrests for sexual offences per 10,000 Afgan population (1 in 10!!) is what the Daily Mail call out

59 convictions for sexual offences per 10,000 Afgan population is what the Telegraph call out

There's no contradiction, you just need to read it a bit more carefully. Perhaps try to actually think about what is being shown, instead of rushing to deny anything that conflicts with your assumptions.

I think really the numbers don’t stack up. The number of people who are legally qualify as refugees and would like to live in the UK is unaffordable.

I think really we (and the wider international community) are looking at changing the rules to nearest safe country. They can then transport refugees to another safe country. Costs can be supported by other nations.

For example there’s a fairly successful refugee programme going on in Chad. It costs under a dollar a day per refugee. Chad is pretty poor and has no welfare system so obviously being supported by international aid.

Italy is in negotiations to send refugees to Albania. EU is ok with this. Laws regarding refugees are not immutable. They only date back to end of WW2 but the ease of travel and volume of people wasn’t envisioned.

I do have empathy but I think it needs to be sustainable in the long term.

The government are already talking about reducing state pension eligibility.

The sad fact is that accepting so many low and unskilled skilled people is making us collectively poorer as population numbers rocket up.

We are heading into economic chaos. The money simply won't be there to meet the living standards every one is coming for. The high trust society we had is already gone.

The high trust society we had is already gone.

It's an enormous loss. When you see other countries which don't have pro-social, high trust attitudes woven into their culture - as we do, despite our negativity - you can see what the loss will cost us: socially, emotionally and financially. It's huge. And not talked about enough. Once it's gone, we can never get it back.

@Shadowpalkia but you need to look at proportionality too, not just sheer numbers.

Of course it’s right to have human sympathy.

What I would like to understand is how this will work in practice. My heart breaks for women in Afghanistan I bet every one of them would meet the criteria of persecution to live here. But how can everyone in those awful countries logistically come here? There is finite space and funds. And how do you decide which individuals from the awful country can stay and which can’t? We can’t take everyone from Syria or Congo to live here.

@n4mech4ng3r

you write as if migrants are a homogenous group consisting only of sweet young children and their families: this is not representative of reality, or at least that’s not the impression given by the media. Young men, travelling solo, are a very different group with different needs and risks associated with them.

In any case, the sheer number of people that are going to be on the move once climate change kicks in properly is going to dwarf anything we are currently experiencing. Any policy decisions put in place now are going to be utterly inadequate in 5-10 years.

I agree the problem is men! From every ethnic background. That’s why we don’t want even more of them! Cultural norms will never be challenged and have to be respected… that puts young girls at risk.

There is often a lot of nimbyism seen from supporters of immigration. It disproportionately affects disadvantaged areas and adds to the disadvantage—therefore becoming a class issue. Working class communities have been called thick and bigoted because they dare to share their concerns. The communities of Blackpool and Hanley to name ones I’ve seen with my own eyes. Barely a child or female has been seen in these asylum hotels.

Ok so by your argument we can also just blame the immigrants and refugees themselves for living in an country that abuses their basic rights.

Afghanistan.