Actually Pro Immigration- Hear Me Out?

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I have always been, and will always be, pro immigrant, pro asylum seeker, and pro refugee. It saddens me that I seem to be in the vast minority these days, the lack of empathy from the general population of the UK in 2025 is disgraceful imo.

I chose as part of my career to support refugees, and it has opened my eyes even more every day. The tragedies these young people have gone through are unimaginable for anyone here, and the treatment they get when they arrive is appalling.

When illegal immigration is brought up in a political context, it is always devoid of humanity, vulnerable people spoken about like an invasive species. I implore anyone so far removed from the realities of ‘illegal’ immigrants, especially those who risked their lives to be here, to volunteer for a refugee charity.

These are children, overjoyed to learn simple words so they can make friends with our children in the playground. Teenagers, completely overwhelmed by food they’ve never seen before (like fish fingers!). Young families, so grateful to a country that wants them to ‘go back to where they come from’ even if they die there.

It’s heartbreaking, and it makes me sick. Every time I see the Reform lot, racists, and other bigots treating immigrants as the scapegoat, I can’t help but think of my little students, their families, and the stories they’ve told me of life before they arrived.

It baffles me how people can go on about ‘British values’ while showing absolutely no kindness to the people who need it most. What’s the point of this national pride if it’s built on cruelty and exclusion? I see so much ‘we need to look after our own first’ rhetoric, but why can’t we do both? Why does helping people fleeing war and persecution make you angry? Why is that your line in the sand?

If anyone else is feeling like this, works in this area, or has something to add I’d love to hear it. If you’re going to try and change my opinion, please save your energy ❤️

Changed my username for this one because I’m discussing my professional life and opinions rather than my family life. Long time user over several accounts. Thanks for reading, sorry if it’s a rant.

There are alot of people making alot of money from the chaos no one more than human rights lawyer. And Starmer is a top human rights lawyer. I've even read that he was the one that fought for illegal migrants to get benefits (and they still get benefits even if their asylum claim is denied which is mad and unsustainable). Of course nothing will change while he's in charge.

They are treated so badly here and yet they keep coming

I'm with you, OP. I used to work with asylum seekers and I just don't understand the hate that is directed towards them.

Well quite. And what BS that has been proven to be.

Are these people working in the NHS?

So I shouldn’t have bothered with all that documentation needed to enter the country, arrange a job, accommodation on arrival etc.

No but many will once their claim is granted.

You were one of the lucky ones. With access to safe, legal routes. Not every immigrant is so fortunate.

Do you realise how lucky you were to be born by chance in Europe?

”They” are human beings. Your family originally migrated from Africa.

I thought many weren’t allowed to work? I’m not sure we’re talking about the same people tbh. I think people are objecting to undocumented males with no jobs

They are once their asylum claim has been granted. If it is not, they will be deported. Which is as it should be.

Its just a pity that many claimants are forced to risk their lives because they have no access legal routes and that there is an enormous backlog because of the ineptitude of the governments of the past decades. It’s baffling how some people lay this problem at Starmer’s door.

You recognise that there is a housing crisis, that the NHS can no longer cope, and that our infrastructure is crumbling. Yet you want more low skilled immigration? Madness.

Presumably you want those of us who are net contributors to keep paying more and more tax to fund this ever inflating state?

I don't want more houses or an even more expensive NHS. I want less people.

Are you a migrant or UK born?

They'll be delighted when we're out of the ECHR, have no Human Rights Act, the marines are shelling people in the channel and the UK is some kind of lawless isolated backwater. Only then will we be a land of milk and honey.

Born by chance in Europe?

Honestly this is making me laugh. Am I supposed to believe there is a global flock of storks flying about and I was dropped by chance in my parents house? I could have been dropped in Japan if the wind was blowing in the opposite direction?

There was nothing about it that is chance, my family goes back 1000s of years on these islands, and have been part of building this place and protecting it in wars for all that time, including me.

Fucking chance.

Honestly, you talk about us as if we are non fungible tokens that could be downloaded in any country and the stuff that's there came from aliens.

This is the liberal left. Absolutely disassociated from what it is to be human.

This isn't what's killing the nhs. It's a complex range of issues including lack of effective social care meaning people are admitted with avoidable issues and remain in hospital for literally hundreds of days (I say this both as someone who's spent my career in the nhs and someone with an elderly relative who desperately needs care but is in an indefinite waiting list and cannot self fund), gaps in mental health and dental care putting pressure on other services, etc etc

They don’t have to risk their lives. They are safe where they are. They are economic migrants. If they were fleeing due to war etc, there were plenty of other safe places on the way. They want to come to the U.K. because it has more to offer. There obviously are legal routes as thousands apply and are accepted every year. There isn’t the infrastructure in the U.K. to cope with them , and billions are spent on their accommodation and medical care, that should be spent on solving other problems. While we continue to allow thousands to arrive on our shores , others will follow. Some other countries have found a way to deal with the problem, and so must we.

Risk their lives? Travelling across Europe? What like people do every day for work, holidays, sightseeing?
Those life threatening experiences?
Or boating on the channel?. There's thousands of yachts and powerboats out there every day having fun and the rescue services can see every single one all of the time.

That risk you mean. Young men having a camping trek through beautiful European countries using cars and trains.

Terrible.

If they're economic migrants, why do 70% get refugee status?

The houses are not for thousands of economic migrants. Many people here have been on the housing list for years

There's a whole list of reasons that they can pick.

No proof required.

How can anything be proved when many have thrown their documentation away? It’s probably quicker to let them in

PM me if you're interested in some magic beans.

Because the people who set the criteria and the people who make the decisions are also lefties who don't live in the real world. We have a much higher acceptance rate than most other countries and indeed some countries like Poland have a virtually zero acceptance rate of legals or illegals particularly for Muslims (and hence have no terrorism or widespread rape gangs like us).

They don’t. Not refugee status. They get leave to remain because the government wants to clear the backlog. Because they can’t be removed. Because by the time they’ve worked though all their appeals they have made uk connections that constitute a new claim. Because the appeal courts make strange decisions .
The same cohorts of people get different rates of acceptance in different countries although we’re ostensibly following the same criteria.

Err, because the UK is a soft touch. That's why they come.

I have some questions op
Perhaps you have the answers
Why are they all young men , coming in on the boats .?
How have they afforded thousands to traffickers to get here .?
Where are their female relatives ?,if they have left them behind,then it is obviously safe to do so .so why not stay and keep your female relatives safe .?
So is the plan for every male arriving to bring over his whole extended family when he gains alyslum ??¿
Where will these people live ???
We have families in UK in temporary accommodation,whole family's in one room with a microwave to cook with .. waiting years for a non existent council house ,
Why are they not housed in a nice hotel .????
We are a small island what happens when the space has run out ????
We don't have enough Doctors appointments,can't even get a dentist appointment.???
The welfare bill is already out of control
When they gain asylum,they have access to the same benefits as UK people,who have paid in to the system,who's relatives have paid in to the system.is that right ???
Yet we are told benefits must be cut ,and the disabled in the UK , nearly lost a large chunk of their money,yet money can be found to house illegal economic migrants in expensive hotels..
France is a safe country,why so desperate to get to UK ???
I thought If someone is seeking asylum they must seek it in the first country they are safe in ...is that not the rule ?
How many safe countries have they gone through to get to France ?
They are safe in France ,so why come to this small island?
Mainly..why are they all men ..if it is safe for the women and children to stay behind,it is safe for the men ..if every single male arriving is planning to bring a whole family over ...where the hell are they going to live ??
Going further with my questions
Why can they not earn money while they wait for alyslum ,not many are turned away ,so would it not make more sense to let the men earn money.
They must be board out of their brains just hanging around all day .
Also where else are they supposed to spend their time , hanging around parks ?,..well what else are they supposed to do all day
If government is going to give them alyslum anyway ,why not let them work ,and pay for their own board and lodgings , instead of expensive hotels,normal people can't afford.
If they knew they had to work and not get free board and lodgings,maybe they might have paperwork and passport.
If they knew they had to earn their keep ,maybe only the genuine would come .
It's human nature to want to make your life easier for yourself .
I don't blame these young men for coming here ,why wouldn't they ,when so much is offered to them on a plate ,when you have nothing much going for you in your own country,you don't have much to loose by trying to get to somewhere life will be easier..in their shoes I would probably do the same .
So those are my thoughts,a jumble of thoughts