This migrant problem is going to let Reform in isn’t it?

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Honestly it’s such a bloody nightmare. Reform are making a total hash of local government from what I’ve read, putting teenagers in charge of whole departments with no relevant experience. What are they going to do if they are elected to run a country!!!! I’m honestly terrified. Labour need to be seen to be actively doing something to quell the far-right momentum that’s gaining traction from ordinary folk. I’m amazed at the average, usually pretty sensible people around me who are now telling me they are going to vote Reform.

there was an interview I saw yesterday where the minister said that thousands of people were being deported regularly. The interviewer asked why there were no videos of this and she said there could be. Well let’s see it! It would absolutely help.

'Stop the boats' is a political slogan to build momentum to address the issue. There is no single solution.

Realistic approaches that have helped elsewhere:

1. more safe and legal routes
2. smash the criminal networks
3. process claims much quicker
4. return or resettle them in safe countries
5. make their countries of origin more stable

However, some of these are unpopular, expensive, don't stop demand, harder to do post-Brexit, and long-term.

Controversial ideas:

1. deterrent-only policies e.g. send them to Rwanda
2. push boats back into the sea

These are unproven, carry risk of death.

Underlying reasons people migrate are climate change, inequality, conflict, crime.

To adress these longer-term, we need science, resource-sharing e.g. wealth redistribution, transfers of technology, and collaboration e.g. cross border policing and community/youth programmes.

I'm beginning to think they are now purposely trying to lose the next election already! They've realised that they are collectively incompetent and aren't enjoying being in power as much as they thought they would as they now have to answer for their policies.
They want to go home to the opposition benches so are deliberately fucking everything up to ensure it happens.

Out of your five options only one - resettle in another country eg Aus policy has worked.

You can’t push back boats on the channel as has been explained umpteen times to numerous Home Secretaries.

We can’t enter French waters without permission. Australia used international waters, there isn’t that option in the Channel.

The boats used to get to Australia covered longer distances and were more robust - pushing back a dinghy could be considered as deliberately increasing the death toll etc which would contravene maritime law. It’s all in House of Lords records.

And which is why the navy has declined involvement.
https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/british-navy-rejects-plan-push-back-channel-migrant-boats-2022-02-02/

Why are you posting AI?

What a load of pompous crap. Nobody has asked for a “SINGLE SOLUTION” - we are an ISLAND and one of the richest and most developed countries in the world, of course we are perfectly capable of solving this circus if only our leaders and institutions had the courage and common sense to take tougher decisions.
The liars are people like you who keep trying to gaslight people into accepting that managing a border is just too complicated/racist/far-right, and fed-up Brits need to stop moaning.
I’m heartened by some of the very reasonable normal replies on the thread.

@Notonthestairs Australia’s policy hinged on the undertaking that nobody who entered the country illegally would ever be allowed to settle there. It also involved deportation to offshore processing centres, much like the Rwanda scheme. In part this was due to an acknowledgement that effectively patrolling Australia’s coastline (one of the world’s largest) wasn’t going to work on its own.

When the Russians escort migrants to the Finnish border it is described as hybrid warfare and an attempt to destabilise Finland and Europe.

https://www.euronews.com/2023/11/14/finland-says-russia-is-helping-migrants-make-their-way-over-the-eastern-border

The French are doing exactly that to the UK.

Let's call this what it is - Hybrid Warfare upon the UK.

We have no obligation to respect French territorial waters in this scenario. Dump the migrants back on the French beaches.

The migrants are choosing to leave France and enter the UK. This isn't France's doing. In fact, if we took them back, then France could consider it Hybrid Warfare on our part.

The only sustainable solution is to stop the pull factor. It's completely in our power to unilaterally do that - if only our politicians choose to.

I don't have much hope for Labour though. It will mean facing down the Asylum lobby - all those refugee support organisations and human rights lawyers whose careers depend on the flow of Asylum seekers, and the Liberal Left whose self-worth depends on giving everything the UK has away.

Keir Starmer has crumbled under pressure every single time. Gaza is the latest. He doesn’t have the strength for this.

Could stop it in 5 minutes if the will was there. Look at Poland or Hungary..even Greece and Sweden a lot more hardline.

Its a lack of will.

France is more racist than we are.
We are now going that way, understandably

Starmer is just a globalist puppet. He can't/won't do what is necessary. Also handpicked as he's a human rights lawyer so is far too soft/compromised to do what's needed, he's too much of a liberal.

The migrants want to cross from Russia into Finland. They're escorted to the border by the Russians.

There's zero difference between Russia and France's actions.

I just posted this elsewhere but I think it is relevant here

Everyone on this thread should email their MP and inform them that they want the immigration controlled or that they are voting Reform if they are considering it. I'm going to do it now.
https://members.parliament.uk/FindYourMP
Dear
I am writing to inform you that I will be voting Reform at the next election given the opportunity of a Reform candidate in this constituency as I am disgusted by the number of immigrants being allowed into this country, changing and dividing our population,
Yours,

Include your postcode and address to prove you are a constituent.

I think something is going very wrong, as most of my social and professional circle agree that UK immigration is far too lax now, and more than half of us are immigrants ourselves.

I'm proud to contribute to this country, and I share it's values. It's values are the main reason I came here. But in the last five years social cohesion has been getting far worse.

In my opinion legal immigration is far more of a financial problem than illegal, though both need sorting out. Someone on close to minumum wage or a student, with any dependants, is not going to be a net gain for the UK.

What would happen if we did put one boatload of the migrants back on a ship and took them back to France. Perhaps the UK should do this as the French are not doing anything

I live in Kent. I work in a local council but not KCC. My neighbours work for Kent CC. I’m not seeing or reading any major concerns regarding Reform running the council. Most local council functions are statutory. The staff there know their roles. It’s ignorant to think a political party can change a county council.

however more and more of my friends and colleagues are talking about immigration. It is a massive issue here. Our local town has changed. Too many young and old men hanging around. It’s intimidating. There will be an incident soon and it will explode.

Ha ha pointless in my constituency. Our Labour MP won't oppose the leadership. He never responds to any attempts to contact him.

I am just sending an email to my local MP (Scotland) now.

I have sent this email to my MP, I have softened it a lot. I suggest that anyone that has any concerns over increased immigration does the same, it is better than doing nothing.

I am writing to raise serious concerns shared by many residents in our area regarding increasing pressure on housing, healthcare, and other public services.
In recent years, there has been a noticeable influx of non-local people settling in the area. While I recognise that population growth and diversity bring many benefits, the recent increased change of pace appears to be placing considerable strain on already stretched resources. Housing availability and access to healthcare are particularly concerning—many local families are struggling to access affordable homes, and the waiting lists for social housing continue to grow, as well as access to a GP due to the sheer number of people that each surgery has to cover.

Public services such as the NHS are under increasingly significant pressure. Access to appointments is becoming more difficult, and waiting times for treatments are increasing. These challenges affect everyone, but there is a strong feeling locally that long-standing residents are being left behind.
There is also growing unease about fairness in the allocation of jobs and benefits. While I fully support equal opportunity for all, there is a perception—right or wrong—that local people are sometimes being overlooked or disadvantaged when it comes to employment support and welfare services.
I would like to ask what steps are being taken to ensure that local residents are not being deprioritised, and that support systems are being managed fairly and transparently for the benefit of everyone.

This is not about blaming individuals or communities, but about ensuring that policy and planning keep pace with change and protect the needs of existing residents.

I would appreciate your views on these issues and any action you plan to take to address them.

Yours sincerely

Yeas but he will hope to retain his seat at the next election and not lose it to reform

I would imagine that the French would turn that boat full of migrants straight back to England.

We would then be left with: Accepting them back, firing warning shots towards the French boat to stop them landing, what it that didn't work? or taking back to France, where they would be under huge pressure to fire at us.

Quickly followed by a blockade of all French Channel ports, by fisherman, french navy, the Tunnel closed, close french air space to UK flights & the stopping of all patrols on French coasts, around 50% of crossings are prevented.

I'm starting to think that all the immigrants who work for essential services such as the NHS, care, agriculture, manufacturing etc should all go on strike for a week. Chaos would ensue, but Reform supporters might finally appreciate the contribution that immigrants make to this country.

About 19% of NHS workers are not British. Think of what would happen if they were all to leave the UK. Here's a clue - waiting times for appointments would not decrease.

Ooh there are a fair few patients who are from overseas

Yes it is really difficult but this constant influx of migrants is ruining our quality of life