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This migrant problem is going to let Reform in isn’t it?

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EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 24/07/2025 12:33

Honestly it’s such a bloody nightmare. Reform are making a total hash of local government from what I’ve read, putting teenagers in charge of whole departments with no relevant experience. What are they going to do if they are elected to run a country!!!! I’m honestly terrified. Labour need to be seen to be actively doing something to quell the far-right momentum that’s gaining traction from ordinary folk. I’m amazed at the average, usually pretty sensible people around me who are now telling me they are going to vote Reform.

there was an interview I saw yesterday where the minister said that thousands of people were being deported regularly. The interviewer asked why there were no videos of this and she said there could be. Well let’s see it! It would absolutely help.

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twistyizzy · 30/07/2025 14:49

Strawberrri · 30/07/2025 14:10

Yeas but he will hope to retain his seat at the next election and not lose it to reform

Think he's already lost it. We are Red Wall and now overwhelmingly Reform. Local council elections = 100% Reform

Extravirginolive · 30/07/2025 15:49

Cattenberg · 30/07/2025 14:20

I'm starting to think that all the immigrants who work for essential services such as the NHS, care, agriculture, manufacturing etc should all go on strike for a week. Chaos would ensue, but Reform supporters might finally appreciate the contribution that immigrants make to this country.

About 19% of NHS workers are not British. Think of what would happen if they were all to leave the UK. Here's a clue - waiting times for appointments would not decrease.

What an appalling situation to get into.

19 percent nor British. I expect you wrote this assuming people would consider it a positive but you would be wrong.

It's proof of absolute failure.

Alexandra2001 · 30/07/2025 15:57

twistyizzy · 30/07/2025 14:49

Think he's already lost it. We are Red Wall and now overwhelmingly Reform. Local council elections = 100% Reform

Sky have done polling on Labours popularity, 50% of Labour voters regret their vote... BUT when it comes to Badenoch, just 7% of all Labour voters would prefer her as PM, against 77% who prefer Starmer.

Its very similar with Farage, 75% still prefer Starmer as PM, 11% Farage.

Thats shocking for the opposition parties, what are they doing??

We've a Reform councillor, he got in on 30% of the vote.

So no, i don't think any sensible person should write off Labour not winning in 2029.

Personally, i think the choices will be poor, so expect a low turn out, with whoever wins, having little mandate.

Alexandra2001 · 30/07/2025 15:59

Extravirginolive · 30/07/2025 15:49

What an appalling situation to get into.

19 percent nor British. I expect you wrote this assuming people would consider it a positive but you would be wrong.

It's proof of absolute failure.

Why failure? You cannot make people want to work in a low paid, high stress environment, with a public who refuse to pay the taxes to fund public services to European levels.

Its on us, we vote for this time and time again.

twistyizzy · 30/07/2025 16:08

Alexandra2001 · 30/07/2025 15:57

Sky have done polling on Labours popularity, 50% of Labour voters regret their vote... BUT when it comes to Badenoch, just 7% of all Labour voters would prefer her as PM, against 77% who prefer Starmer.

Its very similar with Farage, 75% still prefer Starmer as PM, 11% Farage.

Thats shocking for the opposition parties, what are they doing??

We've a Reform councillor, he got in on 30% of the vote.

So no, i don't think any sensible person should write off Labour not winning in 2029.

Personally, i think the choices will be poor, so expect a low turn out, with whoever wins, having little mandate.

That doesn't match the Westminstsr voting intentions poll. Tories are out up here, it will be a choice between Reform or Labour.
I think you are wildly underestimating the anger in Red Wall areas against Starmer. He is loathed. At least around here.

Extravirginolive · 30/07/2025 16:11

Alexandra2001 · 30/07/2025 15:59

Why failure? You cannot make people want to work in a low paid, high stress environment, with a public who refuse to pay the taxes to fund public services to European levels.

Its on us, we vote for this time and time again.

You sound like a modern slave trader.

justasking111 · 30/07/2025 16:15

In Wales it is a waste so time writing to our labour MP. They just say it's a Senedd matter.

Alexandra2001 · 30/07/2025 16:32

twistyizzy · 30/07/2025 16:08

That doesn't match the Westminstsr voting intentions poll. Tories are out up here, it will be a choice between Reform or Labour.
I think you are wildly underestimating the anger in Red Wall areas against Starmer. He is loathed. At least around here.

Not my polling, Sky News, i was v surprised, even i don't like Starmer!

However, it was Labour vs Cons or Reform.... not Starmer against Badenoch or Farage.
My mistake on getting that wrong.

People who voted Labour last time, still want a Labour Govt, so it would appear.

No one accurately knows who they would vote for in 4 years time... its all to play for.

twistyizzy · 30/07/2025 16:33

Alexandra2001 · 30/07/2025 16:32

Not my polling, Sky News, i was v surprised, even i don't like Starmer!

However, it was Labour vs Cons or Reform.... not Starmer against Badenoch or Farage.
My mistake on getting that wrong.

People who voted Labour last time, still want a Labour Govt, so it would appear.

No one accurately knows who they would vote for in 4 years time... its all to play for.

Depends on who they polled though doesn't it? Did they state their cross section?

Alexandra2001 · 30/07/2025 16:34

Extravirginolive · 30/07/2025 16:11

You sound like a modern slave trader.

Not a very nice thing to say is it?

Esp when i don't approve of taking people from 3rd World countries to work here in low paid positions at all, perhaps you voted for Govt's that have done this?

This state of affairs has arisen due to the tories/austerity and a v lax immigration policy.

TheNuthatch · 30/07/2025 17:52

twistyizzy · 30/07/2025 16:33

Depends on who they polled though doesn't it? Did they state their cross section?

Or an alternative interpretation of those same figures shows that only 51% of 2024 labour voters would vote for them again.
50% more people disapprove of the government record than approve of it.

Most recent weekly polling shows Reform are +2 on YouGov, and +4 on Find Out Now.

strawberrybubblegum · 30/07/2025 18:08

Alexandra2001 · 30/07/2025 15:57

Sky have done polling on Labours popularity, 50% of Labour voters regret their vote... BUT when it comes to Badenoch, just 7% of all Labour voters would prefer her as PM, against 77% who prefer Starmer.

Its very similar with Farage, 75% still prefer Starmer as PM, 11% Farage.

Thats shocking for the opposition parties, what are they doing??

We've a Reform councillor, he got in on 30% of the vote.

So no, i don't think any sensible person should write off Labour not winning in 2029.

Personally, i think the choices will be poor, so expect a low turn out, with whoever wins, having little mandate.

It's hardly surprising that many Labour voters prefer Starmer to the leaders of the other parties, surely? Apart from some inevitable confirmation bias, you'd hope that at least some of his policies somewhat reflect their world view more than other parties' policies do.

I wonder how many Conservative voters prefer him to Badenoch? Doubt it's as many as 7%.

EasternStandard · 30/07/2025 18:10

strawberrybubblegum · 30/07/2025 18:08

It's hardly surprising that many Labour voters prefer Starmer to the leaders of the other parties, surely? Apart from some inevitable confirmation bias, you'd hope that at least some of his policies somewhat reflect their world view more than other parties' policies do.

I wonder how many Conservative voters prefer him to Badenoch? Doubt it's as many as 7%.

Better off to look at voting intention polls anyway.

Alexandra2001 · 30/07/2025 18:19

strawberrybubblegum · 30/07/2025 18:08

It's hardly surprising that many Labour voters prefer Starmer to the leaders of the other parties, surely? Apart from some inevitable confirmation bias, you'd hope that at least some of his policies somewhat reflect their world view more than other parties' policies do.

I wonder how many Conservative voters prefer him to Badenoch? Doubt it's as many as 7%.

It matters because Labour voters were in the majority last time, many of course were former Tory voters in 2019.

Voting intentions, this far out are meaningless, 4 years is several political lifetimes.

From another YouGov poll:

While Nigel Farage may be riding high right now, one question that should concern the Reform leader is the potential ceiling on support for his party

Labour may be in a lacklustre second place in the voting intention polls but when the public are offered the choice of Keir Starmer or Nigel Farage as prime minister, the incumbent holds a commanding lead over the challenger by 44% to 29%

Farage is seen as Mr Brexit, Brexit is not as popular as it once was.....

Bonkersbilly · 30/07/2025 18:22

The idea of democratic elections is that the electorate decides who gets in . What’s so difficult to understand?

EasternStandard · 30/07/2025 18:33

Here’s a recent voting intention poll, I’m not sure Labour will be too excited by it. If they are then ok.

This migrant problem is going to let Reform in isn’t it?
strawberrybubblegum · 30/07/2025 18:33

Cattenberg · 30/07/2025 14:20

I'm starting to think that all the immigrants who work for essential services such as the NHS, care, agriculture, manufacturing etc should all go on strike for a week. Chaos would ensue, but Reform supporters might finally appreciate the contribution that immigrants make to this country.

About 19% of NHS workers are not British. Think of what would happen if they were all to leave the UK. Here's a clue - waiting times for appointments would not decrease.

I'm pretty sure that you're arguing in bad faith here. It's not exactly subtle nuance to distinguish between well-integrated, contributing immigrants versus asylum seekers and low-skilled immigrants who will be net takers all their life.

The UK is still very welcoming to the former group. No one has suggested zero migration. Most of us have colleagues and friends who are immigrants - often family too - and are very happy they are here.

Why are you pretending you can't tell the difference? Don't you see that it's you who is being racist with that?

So to make your suggestion a bit more realistic, let's divide all immigrants into those 2 groups - the ones we want and the ones we don't - and only have the second group go on strike. But at the sane time, they can't use state services either No using the NHS. Their kids not in schools (but we can keep the same total school funding for the lower number of students, since the overall tax-take isn’t noticeably lower) so teachers don't need to deal with high numbers of kids with EAL. £4billion annually which was spent on the illegal immigrants available for other things, plus whatever we're spending on their Welfare. Twice as much social housing available in London. Sure, fewer carers. I have several family members who found care work satisfying but too poorly paid - without low-cost immigrants to tap into, perhaps that would change. Fewer men loitering on corners, barber shops and vape shops.

Really not sounding so bad.

You know that we set the immigrantion criteria, right? We can be much,much pickier about who we accept - setting the bar for highly skilled migrants to genuinely be highly skilled, not care workers and artists; and restricting student visa applications to serious subjects and post-grads at respected universities, not dodgy little language schools which don't actually expect their students to turn up to class; and having language tests and cultural integration mandatory for citizenship, as other countries do.

We just need the political will.

BurntBroccoli · 30/07/2025 18:37

The misunderstanding and sheer cruelty on this thread is astounding! Letting people drown (including children)?!

strawberrybubblegum · 30/07/2025 18:41

BurntBroccoli · 30/07/2025 18:37

The misunderstanding and sheer cruelty on this thread is astounding! Letting people drown (including children)?!

You've made that accusation up. That hasn't been suggested.

A very few posters have suggested turning boats back - but not harming the passengers. As many posters have said that wouldn't work.

Why not engage, instead of gaslighting and using lies to try to shame people? Those tactics don't work any more.

BurntBroccoli · 30/07/2025 18:51

strawberrybubblegum · 30/07/2025 18:41

You've made that accusation up. That hasn't been suggested.

A very few posters have suggested turning boats back - but not harming the passengers. As many posters have said that wouldn't work.

Why not engage, instead of gaslighting and using lies to try to shame people? Those tactics don't work any more.

Pushing a dinghy back to France there is a lot more risk of people drowning!
Besides it’s illegal as we can’t enter French waters.

Strawberrri · 30/07/2025 18:59

BurntBroccoli · 30/07/2025 18:37

The misunderstanding and sheer cruelty on this thread is astounding! Letting people drown (including children)?!

The parents / adults with children getting into boats when they are in France… France! ..and we’re responsible if they drown -is that a joke?

suburburban · 30/07/2025 19:02

BurntBroccoli · 30/07/2025 18:51

Pushing a dinghy back to France there is a lot more risk of people drowning!
Besides it’s illegal as we can’t enter French waters.

Why can’t we make it illegal for uninvited boats to be in our waters in the first place

justasking111 · 30/07/2025 19:07

BurntBroccoli · 30/07/2025 18:51

Pushing a dinghy back to France there is a lot more risk of people drowning!
Besides it’s illegal as we can’t enter French waters.

We can and do enter french waters all the time. We're not at war you know. maritime law trumps politics.

justasking111 · 30/07/2025 19:12

suburburban · 30/07/2025 19:02

Why can’t we make it illegal for uninvited boats to be in our waters in the first place

Shipping, yachting, wind, bad weather, engine problems, illness. There's reasons why anyone might be obliged to go off course and seek assistance which is willingly given.