This migrant problem is going to let Reform in isn’t it?

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Honestly it’s such a bloody nightmare. Reform are making a total hash of local government from what I’ve read, putting teenagers in charge of whole departments with no relevant experience. What are they going to do if they are elected to run a country!!!! I’m honestly terrified. Labour need to be seen to be actively doing something to quell the far-right momentum that’s gaining traction from ordinary folk. I’m amazed at the average, usually pretty sensible people around me who are now telling me they are going to vote Reform.

there was an interview I saw yesterday where the minister said that thousands of people were being deported regularly. The interviewer asked why there were no videos of this and she said there could be. Well let’s see it! It would absolutely help.

What do you think bilateral means?

Trump has done it and so have Australia.

Duh... I meant to add before I posted that the boat busters would be on the French coast before anyone got in it. They track the movements and ensure it is destroyed.

I understand what bilateral means, thank you.
You haven't answered the question.

Yep. Australia did a while back. It’s the voting so far that has stopped similar. It could change.

What voting?

Well not the completely inadequate one-in-one-out fiasco. What were Labour thinking?!

I've made plenty of achievable suggestions just a few posts up. Most of those wouldn't even need new laws. It just needs political will. It would need some money, but that would be an investment, given how much illegal immigration costs us: £4bn per year currently, and only going up.

There is no will with Labour that’s the trouble. Just tinkering at the edges. Extraordinary when they must know this issue will cost them the next election.

The price to pay for people like Sadiq Khan as mayor. He literally let London go to the pits. Crime and drug dealing are rampant and most people are rightly realising who are committing the crimes. The majority of immigrants come here to work and very hard but the fact of the uncontrolled borders to screen people properly imported whole gangs. People should start for acknowledging this. Then you have the elephant in the room of the predominant religious immigrants taking over whole areas and communities. They are alienating locals as you see they’re not integrating that much.

So your husband/children get cancer and you can't afford treatment, but that's ok because there are no brown people on the bus?

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OK Keir

How having more people will help the NHS numbers? The NHS is run down as there are too many wasteful initiatives and lots of people need the service. Less people may help.

They say elections are won from the centre. This is the Tories problem : there isn't room for two far right parties. Reform will take a lot of their vote.

Labour have a different problem, they want to keep the centrist vote while also assuaging the anti immigrant ppl. If there is a ' reversion to the mean ' at the next election who will benefit? It's hard to see Reform breaking out really. Too closely identified with Trump and Brexit for one thing. And they're making a pigs ear out of the councils they control.

Maybe the Tories will get their act together and elect a moderate sounding leader. My money is on Labour with a much reduced majority. Maybe in coalition with Lib Dems. Boring ....but people have already done exciting with Truss and Johnson. It's a bit tiring isn't it?

Maybe. Although a fair few countries are seeing similar political shifts due to border / migration pressures. A secure border can become a centre policy for the electorate.

Labor for example in Aus won’t overturn the Liberals introduction of the border policy as they know the electorate want it to stay.

I think the centre is shifting right. Labour needs to move towards the right, or hope that Reform and the conservatives split the vote more than Labour/LibDems/Greens/Corbyn are splitting the Left.

No, they need to make a better case for not lurching to the right and they need to deliver on improving public services/making people's lives better.

Where did I mention escalating violence
I didn't
That never crossed my mind
Why would it escalate violence
It's no different than getting caught in the back of a lorry ,being taken out and not making it to England
The Navy are not going to be violent..so ..who is

That would be your personal preference. I take it your sympathies are with the left? Looking at the global picture, or at least the pan-European picture, population sentiments are moving towards the right. Democracies will vote to reflect that.

But apart from the violence comment
You make some very good points indeed

If a similar to Aus policy ever does get voted in In all likelihood we’ll be similar and never vote it out, and Labour wouldn’t run on doing that. Once you stop the chaotic and dangerous system it’s likely the electorate would prefer not to go back.

Did I say me ..
No I said people I've spoken to ,seem to have this idea .
I voted green last time ,as I have made no secret of

That's absolutely fine, we are happy with the double or even treble solution. All the solutions please.

But the quote was abolish the NHS, I don't care.

@YourBlueScroller Just a tip, MN really doesn't like shouting (use of caps) in posts - it makes you sound angry and/or childish.

Also as others have quite rightly pointed out, we could just take a leaf from Australia's book - that would be a vote winner for sure.

Not risking national security and putting additional strain on public services by letting in undocumented men is not racist in the slightest. It's common sense and increasingly demonstrably what the majority of the electorate want. But the left will refuse to listen and then be shocked when reform win the next election. It's so predictable. Also avoidable, if the PM pulls his finger out. But he's useless so he won't.