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This migrant problem is going to let Reform in isn’t it?

916 replies

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 24/07/2025 12:33

Honestly it’s such a bloody nightmare. Reform are making a total hash of local government from what I’ve read, putting teenagers in charge of whole departments with no relevant experience. What are they going to do if they are elected to run a country!!!! I’m honestly terrified. Labour need to be seen to be actively doing something to quell the far-right momentum that’s gaining traction from ordinary folk. I’m amazed at the average, usually pretty sensible people around me who are now telling me they are going to vote Reform.

there was an interview I saw yesterday where the minister said that thousands of people were being deported regularly. The interviewer asked why there were no videos of this and she said there could be. Well let’s see it! It would absolutely help.

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Swan6 · 29/07/2025 06:12

I don't get why the navy is not deployed half way to stop them getting across.
They are already in France a safe country,so no need to come here
Where are the RNLI getting the money from to bring them to UK ..why do RNLI not tow them back to France .
Hopefully people will stop leaving RNLI money in their wills
We have very rich relatives who used to regularly donate to RNLI ,and had planned a large sun in their will.
Not any more

Blackcordoroys · 29/07/2025 06:28

I’ve voted Labour and Lib Dem all my life. I voted green in a council election once too. But migration is also my top issue. There are no jobs for teenagers or university students at all, no graduate jobs, and apparently there are 2 million visa overstayers here working illegally. And they’re still bringing in half a million more every year! No wonder the country is bursting at the seams. No wonder we need HMOs on every street. I like targeted migration of skilled people but there has been too much for decades. I want to vote for labour again so I hope they sort it out.

Strawberrri · 29/07/2025 06:30

Where are the RNLI getting the money from to bring them to UK ..why do RNLI not tow them back to France .
Hopefully people will stop leaving RNLI money in their wills

Is it always RNLI?
I might write to them and tell them I am no longer making donations because of this. They aren't rescuing people as they had no need to enter water in the first place.

It's the human rights laws that we seem to follow but no other bugger does.

suburburban · 29/07/2025 07:13

I read something recently about how a group of people went to Calais to help a charity and it did sound pretty awful. Conditions aren’t great in Calais but….

agree about the job situation.

perhaps the government needs to deal with the overstayers.

strawberrybubblegum · 29/07/2025 07:14

Swan6 · 29/07/2025 06:12

I don't get why the navy is not deployed half way to stop them getting across.
They are already in France a safe country,so no need to come here
Where are the RNLI getting the money from to bring them to UK ..why do RNLI not tow them back to France .
Hopefully people will stop leaving RNLI money in their wills
We have very rich relatives who used to regularly donate to RNLI ,and had planned a large sun in their will.
Not any more

Escalating violence during the crossings is the wrong approach.

We already collect many of the incoming migrants, so we can just change what we do when they arrive - to apprehend them rather than putting them in open accomodation in the community. Also, a huge number come in undetected into small ports - so the number we're hearing about is hugely underestimated - and that needs a separate prong of approach.

The only solution is to stop the pull factor. That means preventing people from disappearing into the black economy, far lower asylum acceptance, and quick deportation to somewhere they won't make a second attempt from (not France).

The asylum system urgently needs to be revisited. It was designed as a response to people fleeing war in Europe - into other European countries - and with very low global economic migration. The world is totally different now.

I think we need to completely re-think who we want to keep offering asylum to. Short-term asylum from a country temporarily at war - where we expect migrants to return to their country in their lifetime - yes. Chaotic country where most of the population have a terrible life and want to leave - and the physical journey to the UK is the only barrier to a much better life for a large part of the population (under the current asylum system) - no. We're just creating a market place for traffickers.

Denmark has started unilaterally making some of these changes - we need to do the same. The other European countries will catch up soon enough - this global migration crisis is only going to get worse.

Then we also need speedy deportation: If not Rwanda, then somewhere else. Although not Albania like Italy is doing: that's close enough and lawless enough that it's likely to become even more of a hub of people-trafficking than it already is.

And critically, the route into the black economy needs to close. People are suggesting ID cards and employer checks, but I'm not convinced that we could make that effective without a high imposition on the whole population, which means it would inevitably be watered down to the point it was easy to side-step. And it would be very expensive to implement.

My preference would be immediate deportation to an offshore waiting centre, coupled with far higher checks and surveillance at all UK ports, and satellite surveillance to intercept unauthorised entry. It would be far easier and cheaper to impose stricter checks on incoming vessels than to impose stricter checks on all employers and residents in the UK! We're surrounded by sea: let's make use of that!

strawberrybubblegum · 29/07/2025 07:22

And obviously stricter controls on visa over-stayers. Immediate deportation and never being allowed back in the UK, for a start.

But we did issue those visas in the first place - so that's what we can control. We need far more thorough analysis of which applicants are likely to overstay their visa, and a political willingness to assess visa applications using a risk- based approach. That does mean we'll turn down people who wouldn't have overstayed through profiling, but that's just tough. We don't owe anyone a visa.

RainbowZebraWarrior · 29/07/2025 07:39

This article is quite fascinating about the rise of the far right in Japan. The Sanseito party promotes 'Japan first' as immigration is at record levels. Apparently, Japanese people are mistrusting of 'foreigners' who disrespect their culture, and are also fed up of disrespectful tourists. It's also interesting to read the parallels with the UK and the rest of the world; high inflation, stagnant wages, rising welfare costs and an ageing population (but immigration / foreigners seems to be the main cause of frustration)

Bearing in mind, Japan has been a liberally run country for most of the past 7 decades. The writer states that Trump (and tourism) are to blame for the rise in the far right.

Is it the case that culturally, human beings are getting sick of 'outsiders' and perhaps are rebelling against global multiculturalism which was initially embraced and encouraged?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2k29233jeo

RainbowZebraWarrior · 29/07/2025 07:41

This article is quite fascinating about the rise of the far right in Japan. The Sanseito party promotes 'Japan first' as immigration is at record levels. Apparently, Japanese people are mistrusting of 'foreigners' who disrespect their culture, and are also fed up of disrespectful tourists. It's also interesting to read the parallels with the UK and the rest of the world; high inflation, stagnant wages, rising welfare costs and an ageing population (but immigration / foreigners seems to be the main cause of frustration)

Bearing in mind, Japan has been a liberally run country for most of the past 7 decades. The writer states that Trump (and tourism) are to blame for the rise in the far right.

Is it the case that culturally, human beings are getting sick of 'outsiders' and perhaps are rebelling against global multiculturalism which was initially embraced and accepted?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2k29233jeo

RainbowZebraWarrior · 29/07/2025 07:42

Apologies for the double post. Having problems with MN atm.

TopPocketFind · 29/07/2025 07:42

Send in the SAS and the Royal Navy, stop the RNLI rescuing people from drowning and build tent camps.

Sounds like a plan Confused🦄

suburburban · 29/07/2025 07:47

strawberrybubblegum · 29/07/2025 07:22

And obviously stricter controls on visa over-stayers. Immediate deportation and never being allowed back in the UK, for a start.

But we did issue those visas in the first place - so that's what we can control. We need far more thorough analysis of which applicants are likely to overstay their visa, and a political willingness to assess visa applications using a risk- based approach. That does mean we'll turn down people who wouldn't have overstayed through profiling, but that's just tough. We don't owe anyone a visa.

Yes when you go to the USA they are so strict about entry

ThisOldThang · 29/07/2025 07:50

TopPocketFind · 24/07/2025 14:11

What type of people are they?

The type of people that have luxury beliefs and those who insist upon inflicting their suicidal empathy onto the rest of society.

TopPocketFind · 29/07/2025 07:58

ThisOldThang · 29/07/2025 07:50

The type of people that have luxury beliefs and those who insist upon inflicting their suicidal empathy onto the rest of society.

Like Farage and Johnson then.

Strawberrri · 29/07/2025 07:59

But so many must be coming in on spousal visas and arranged marriages - why do we allow this. You move here you stay here, at the mo people flit between one country and the former - money from here no doubt going to the former for family/ retirement - no advantage to the uk.

strawberrybubblegum · 29/07/2025 08:00

@RainbowZebraWarrior what a complete propaganda piece.

"Ooh look, those foreigners are worried about us! How upside down that we're breaking their social rules. We're not so bad!

We don't want to show similar lack of sophistication, do we? Or be accused of being manipulated by Trump, like they are? Best to virtue-signal that we're supportive of all immigration, and give a sophisticated, knowing smile when other people talk about the problems"

Not suprised that drivel came from the BBC. I do have to wonder whether it's just that they're all left-wing morons, or whether there's actually some level of control/suggestion from the government, 'for the public good', despite their supposed impartiality.

twistyizzy · 29/07/2025 08:03

strawberrybubblegum · 29/07/2025 08:00

@RainbowZebraWarrior what a complete propaganda piece.

"Ooh look, those foreigners are worried about us! How upside down that we're breaking their social rules. We're not so bad!

We don't want to show similar lack of sophistication, do we? Or be accused of being manipulated by Trump, like they are? Best to virtue-signal that we're supportive of all immigration, and give a sophisticated, knowing smile when other people talk about the problems"

Not suprised that drivel came from the BBC. I do have to wonder whether it's just that they're all left-wing morons, or whether there's actually some level of control/suggestion from the government, 'for the public good', despite their supposed impartiality.

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Well based on BBC coverage of yesterday's press conference I suspect the latter. I mean the later news bulletins, not the filming of the press conference

ThisOldThang · 29/07/2025 08:05

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 24/07/2025 15:02

Did you see the press that Farage was apparently talking about sending our worst criminals to reside in El Salvadorian jails? How the hell does he think he’s going to make that happen?!!! Its completely bizarre.

It's quite simple. We abolish the human rights act and pay El Salvador to take them. The Americans are already doing it.

ThisOldThang · 29/07/2025 08:09

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 24/07/2025 15:40

And which government is going to sanction the RNLI or even the Navy to stand guard and allow kids to die or worse sink the boats which would be sanctioning the murder of civilians. They can’t slash the boats on French soil as that’s not our land. The only way to solve it is to stop the people smugglers or cooperate with Europe to stop the travel of people across the landmass or of course stop the people from wanting to come by burning down hotels and talking about mass deportation.

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Transfer them into Royal Marine landing craft and dump them back on a random French beach. It would only take a couple of weeks of that before they realised that attempting the crossing was dangerous, expensive and pointless.

YourBlueScroller · 29/07/2025 08:46

What people need to understand is there is NO SINGLE SOLUTION to stop the migrant crisis.

It is a lie. Much like Brexit will make you rich, it is a LIE. You are being lied to. Reform are lying to you. I'm not sure how many different ways to say this.

1one · 29/07/2025 08:51

Why can't the government employ boat busters? Ex military, police types whose job it is to monitor the movement of an imminent boat and bust it.

strawberrybubblegum · 29/07/2025 08:53

YourBlueScroller · 29/07/2025 08:46

What people need to understand is there is NO SINGLE SOLUTION to stop the migrant crisis.

It is a lie. Much like Brexit will make you rich, it is a LIE. You are being lied to. Reform are lying to you. I'm not sure how many different ways to say this.

Sure, there's no single solution. That doesn't mean we shouldn't identify and implement the many achievable things which will improve matters.

EasternStandard · 29/07/2025 08:55

YourBlueScroller · 29/07/2025 08:46

What people need to understand is there is NO SINGLE SOLUTION to stop the migrant crisis.

It is a lie. Much like Brexit will make you rich, it is a LIE. You are being lied to. Reform are lying to you. I'm not sure how many different ways to say this.

There are countries that have done it, so this caps stuff isn’t really true. It just takes a mandate via votes.

TopPocketFind · 29/07/2025 08:55

strawberrybubblegum · 29/07/2025 08:53

Sure, there's no single solution. That doesn't mean we shouldn't identify and implement the many achievable things which will improve matters.

Like a bilateral deal with France?

TheNuthatch · 29/07/2025 08:56

YourBlueScroller · 29/07/2025 08:46

What people need to understand is there is NO SINGLE SOLUTION to stop the migrant crisis.

It is a lie. Much like Brexit will make you rich, it is a LIE. You are being lied to. Reform are lying to you. I'm not sure how many different ways to say this.

I don't think anyone has said that theres a single solution? Even Farage.
Would you prefer to just ignore it? Put it in the 'too hard' box?

TheNuthatch · 29/07/2025 09:02

TopPocketFind · 29/07/2025 08:55

Like a bilateral deal with France?

Why would the French want to stop them leaving France?