Ban the burka?

[TalkToTheHand123]

Question asked in the commons today. Should it be banned?

Oddly, you are bringing up Iran when the subject is a British MP talking about banning the burqa in Britain, because British MP's do not get to tell non-British countries what they can and can't do. And you are allowed to introduce random countries to support your right to tell women what they can wear, yet complain about others doing it (and I have been clear that nobody should have the right to dictate what women wear) whilst people claim it just isn't British because "we are better than that"?

Can you not see the perversity in complaining that some women may not choose the burqa, so you will force those who do choose it to wear what you want them to?

This is a reason to ban it.
Have you seen how quickly Iran descended feom women's rights and freedoms, to full on eye removal for women showing their hair?

If it was valid then it would be British Muslim women asking for the ban, not ultra right wing white people.

Covering your face during a pandemic is hardly the same as doing so for religious/ cultural reasons.

That's done to stop bees stinging you, not to send a message you are a modest woman and not up for grabs, silly.

A slightly different premise and intent.

They'd be bring shame on their families, be disowned and ostracised if they did that. Nobody from the same background would marry members of their family for generations
Possibly worse.
You ought to learn more about others.

It's interesting to me that you know so little. Burqa's are very cooling - I have worn them, as a non-muslim and out of choice. And they are really not always black. Try the google search "colourful burqa design"....

If they’re so fab why aren’t men wearing them?

Of course you did.

Firstly, Muslim women are asking for a ban.
They need help, they need an excuse.

Secondly, British women have the right to request that their culture is respected and adopted by people moving here. Just as we should do when visiting places abroad which request special clothing.

Thirdly, you cannot call people who do not agree with you ' ultra right wing'. You lose any sensible points you may have made.

You are comparing a full body and face covering to people who show their face?

There's thousands of very liberated Muslim women in this country that don't need white saviours especially the ones who's main political policies revolve around gunning small boats of brown people out of the English Channel to stop them reaching shore.

Now you are just getting stupid, skirts are fab, hot pants are fab, most British men don't wear them and if they do there's probably a MN thread condemning it!

Why are you so invested in demanding that every woman wearing a burqa should not do so, irrespective of their free choice. Should not women be able to choose their attire themselves without any man or woman telling them what they are allowed to wear?

You have no idea who wants help. Maybe it doesn't suit you that so many women who are wearing these clothes want freedom.

However, if they want to wear them, they can do so in their own homes.

I don’t think nuns or Jews cover their faces do they? I might be wrong.

Are you calling me a liar? Please say that outright so that I can report you. I have travelled extensively in Muslim countries and have chosen at times to wear the burqa because it suited me. How dare you accuse me of lying.

All my Muslim friends see the burka ban as the racist dog whistle it is. There is no outcry for it in the Muslim community and you know it. And my culture does not revolve around forcing women to wear a prescribed dress code or ban alternative cultures. That is not feminism it's fascism.

The effect is identical.

Go on a plan to Iran and when it leaves 90% of the women remove the head scarf

Perhaps the British culture is the one that doesn't want it?

So you want what you describe as oppressed woman to never be able to leave their homes? Fucking brilliant.

I would have more respect for the religious coverings of any kind if men adopted them in the same spirit of piety and sacredness. But no. Always the women restricted, shackled and covered.

And it comes from ancient practices where females were just the property of men and considered dangerous and unclean at times. Dangerous because if a male got aroused, and was even driven to adultery or rape, it was the fault of the wicked temptress. Men take no responsibility for their own sexual desires in these ‘cover the women’ religions. It’s rules of misogny number 1 - women are responsible for what men do.

I would outlaw it tomorrow but unfortunately you can’t outlaw deeply ingrained cultural misogny. Strangely, those who often cling to it the tightest are the women. All you can do is model a more progressive and liberal form of society. And actually what the western world does show is that societies with better gender equality have more economic prosperity and have a better quality of life. Just what God actually wanted for the world.

I don’t like niqabs or burkas as it makes communication and connection more difficult but don’t think we should be having laws telling women what to wear. It will be a slippery slope to more loss of freedoms (usually womens’). What next? More modest skirt lengths? No bikinis?

At least in France, where they banned it, it was across the board and included yarmulkes for Jews, crucifix for Christians etc but then the right wing types wouldn’t want their religions being included. So let’s be consistent.

Some of these comments infer that France or Denmark are fascist because they do have these bans! I would not consider that accurate.

France didn't ban it. France has a law that no religious stuff in public. So fair for everyone.

Personally I think no face coverings should be allowed in public